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pbasch
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How to install SSD alongside HDD in dv7-6100

Hi, guys. I'm reading a lot of posts on this popular issue, and just wanted to confirm my high-level view of what it involves. This is on my HP dv7-6100.
1) Install SSD in empty 2nd slot (with special cable etc.)
2) Partition, format, and assign drive letter to SSD (is this necessary?)
3) Temporarily remove HDD (is this necessary?)
4) Perform fresh install of Win7HP64 on SSD (I hear this is preferable to copying/cloning the install from the HDD because Windows7 installs differently on a SSD than on an HDD... is that right?)
4a) validate Windows with information I copied from previous legit OEM install (do I have to call MS for this?)
5) Put HDD back in, reboot, and... here it gets vague:
6) Back up the My Doc folder (and all other personal data if it's not in that folder)
7) REFORMAT the HDD, REINSTALL all programs

Or, 7b) do not reformat HDD, but somehow delete the Win7 install that's on it (or should I leave it on, just in case the SSD fails?)
8) Tell Windows that the MyDoc folder should be on the HDD, then restore all personal data to the HDD's My Documents folder...

Or 8b) Point Windows to the MyDoc folder on the HDD
9) Enjoy.
Have I got that all right?
I have another question: the HDD in this laptop has a total of three partitions - the main one (683gb), a RECOVERY partition (14.4gb) and an HP_TOOLS partition (98.8mb). HP_TOOLS seems to have something to do with updating the BIOS, and RECOVERY has this big, secret folder on it. I suppose it's invoked when you reboot and hit Fxx (where xx is whichever function key it is - I can't remember and I'm not going to reboot to check).
So my long winded question is this - when I turn the HDD into my "data" disc, should I just format the main partition and leave those others alone? Will they even work right when I install the SSD?
Anyone who answers... I'll be grateful for any insights, especially from more clueful owners of this same machine.
Thanks.

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HaggisCat
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Re: How to install SSD alongside HDD in dv7-6100

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1) Install SSD in empty 2nd slot (with special cable etc.)

 

  You can't, you have to remove your old one and install the SSD in the primary bay as you can not make the BIOS boot from the secondary bay. You could do it this way as in your statement, but it's way easier just to remove your old drive, install the SSD in it's place and boot from your W7 install disc to install Windows 7. Do you need instructions on how to boot from your W7 install disc ?

 

2) Partition, format, and assign drive letter to SSD (is this necessary?)

 

 No it's not necessary, your W7 install disc will do this automatically.


3) Temporarily remove HDD (is this necessary?)

 

 Yes you need to remove the HHD (see above) you can place it in the secondary hard drive bay and simply pull your personal files of of it on to the SSD or leave them where they are. The old hard drive simply becomes storage ounce it's placed in the secondary hard drive bay.

 
4) Perform fresh install of Win7HP64 on SSD (I hear this is preferable to copying/cloning the install from the HDD because Windows7 installs differently on a SSD than on an HDD... is that right?)

 

 I would recommend a fresh install as it would leave behind all the HP bloat ware, eg, the recovery partition and HP Tools partition. But you could use a cloning program like Macrium Reflect and that will work, but doing that will render the recovery and HP Tools partition useless, so it's best to start from scratch.

 

 4a) validate Windows with information I copied from previous legit OEM install (do I have to call MS for this?)

 

 You don't have to validate anything. On your old drive there is a folder in drive "C" named SwSetup, in there are all the programs that are installed from the factory. You can use these install files to reinstall any programs you like on your new SSD. All Windows (Microsoft) cares about is a legitimate product key for your new installation of W7. If you have any pre-installed software that you paid for, you should have a product key for that.

 

 5) Put HDD back in, reboot, and... here it gets vague:
 6) Back up the My Doc folder (and all other personal data if it's not in that folder)

 

 You don't have to back anything up, it's all on your old hard drive. Ounce it's in the secondary hard drive bay you can access anything you want. You will have to right click initially and enter into the old OS under administrator to gain access into it, but ounce you're in there all your files are still there. You can choose to leave them there or drag them over to the SSD.

 

 7) REFORMAT the HDD, REINSTALL all programs

Or, 7b) do not reformat HDD, but somehow delete the Win7 install that's on it (or should I leave it on, just in case the SSD fails?)

 

 Ounce you have moved all your personal folders over and any thing in the SwSetup folder you can simply go into disc management and format your old HHD. A better procedure is to delete all partitions on the drive, including the recovery partition and HP Tools, creating unallocated space on the entire drive, then formatting it. Just formatting the drive will not get rid of the recovery partition nor the HP Tools partition. As I said ounce you install the SSD, they become redundant.

 

 8) Tell Windows that the MyDoc folder should be on the HDD, then restore all personal data to the HDD's My Documents folder...

Or 8b) Point Windows to the MyDoc folder on the HDD

 

 This has been answered above _ more or less.

 

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Follow this tutorial. First thing to do is to remove your old hard drive, install the SSD in its place and install W7.

 

 http://pcsupport.about.com/od/operatingsystems/ss/windows-7-clean-install-part-1.htm

 

 It will take about 20 minutes, after it's done install your chipset driver and then video driver, in that order, the rest of the drivers don't matter. The tutorial will have you install W7 on unallocated space and this is what your new SSD will be anyway. Do not format the drive, let the W7 install disc do it for you.

 

 There is no need to create any partitions, if you want to keep any files safe, put them over on your old drive.

 

 Go to AMD and run their automated driver finder to get your correct chipset and video driver.

 

 http://support.amd.com/us/Pages/AMDSupportHub.aspx

 

 If you're running an Intel processor the use Intel's Automated driver finder to find your chipset driver.

 

 http://www.intel.com/p/en_US/support/detect

 

 Your model number is incomplete, I am assuming it's dv7-6100cto. If that is the case your product specifications page still will not tell me what kind of processor your running, but I am guessing you're still running ATI video, the other choice would be NVIDIA, but that's highly unlikely.

 

 What processor and video card are you running ?

 

 If you follow the tutorial you and my instructions won't have any problems, your procedure is so complicated. :smileyfrustrated:

 

 Also, before starting any of this, you may burn the entire SwSetup folder to disc. It can be used later when ever you need something out of it.

 

 Here is a great place to get drivers as well. (did some poking around and I am quite sure that you have an Intel core Quad Edition)

 

 http://forum.notebookreview.com/hp-drivers-software-forum/556469-drivers-hp-dv6-4xxx-dv6-6xxx-dv7-5x...

 

  Any more questions ???? :smileylol:

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pbasch
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Re: How to install SSD alongside HDD in dv7-6100

Thanks for that comprehensive answer!

In your reply to part 1, you ask if I need instructions on how to boot from my W7 install disk.  I don't have a W7 install disk, the computer didn't come with one (I though most computers don't come with one - sometimes you have the option of buying one).

What I do have is the set of recovery disks I made.  Can I use those to install W7?

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HaggisCat
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Re: How to install SSD alongside HDD in dv7-6100

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Go here and save the exact version of W7, that the laptop was shipped with.

 

 http://www.mydigitallife.info/official-windows-7-sp1-iso-from-digital-river/

 

 Save the ISO files to where ever (give yourself up to 3 hours here, it may be better to download them at 3.00 A.M.)

 

 Ounce the download it's complete burn the ISO files to disk and that will be a proper bootable W7 disc.

 

 I like Imgburn, it's free, works well and is simple to use. Use mirror #7 provided by Imgburn.

 

 http://www.imgburn.com/index.php?act=download Obviously you don't have to use Imgburn, if you have your own program you would rather use.

 

 Use a good brand name like Verbatim or Sony and make sure it's non-rewritable, it will need to be verified as well.

 

 When installing W7 this way, do not enter your product key when it asks you to. (this is your Windows 7 product key on the sticker on the underside of the laptop).

 

 Uncheck the box where it says to activate W7, this will allow you to install it as a trial. Ounce it's installed, don't run any updates yet.

 

 Right click on "Computer" and go to properties, at the bottom of that page find "change product key" click on that and enter you key from the laptop sticker.

 

 Note as well it's usually better to install the drivers your self from the links I gave you, don't let Windows find the drivers. That way you can save the driver install file to the desk top (which is best) and install it from there.

 

 You can try using your home made recovery discs, but they may not work as your SSD is probably going to be smaller in size then then your old drive.

 

 If they do work it will reinstall the HP tools Partition as well as the recovery Partition. This is not a bad thing, but if your SSD is small it will use up a chunk of space, but you can always use the recovery manger to delete the recovery partition because after-all it's not really needed because you have you discs.

 

 One advantage over the HP discs is that all the drivers will be installed so you won't have that choir to do, and if the recovery process fails, you can simply do a forced shut down and use your W7 disc from the above link and start again. When starting again it will be necessary to delete all information on the drive as described earlier.

 

 It's your call _ either or...

 

 If you have trouble installing any HP branded drivers or software, then post again. You will have to unpack the install file for the driver or program and do a manual install. This can happen when running a retail version of W7 on an HP computer.

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pbasch
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Re: How to install SSD alongside HDD in dv7-6100

Wow. Thanks. I get the logic of installing the retail version of Windows, ditching the Recovery partitions, installing the HP drivers... and that I can choose to try the HP recovery disks, but the smaller SSD (I have an OCZ 120gb SSD) may be a problem.

 

Okay.

 

One last thing (for today!)  - after I reinstall Windows, and all the drivers, I will be reinstalling all my programs, right?  There's no way to bring them over somehow... right?

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HaggisCat
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Re: How to install SSD alongside HDD in dv7-6100

One last thing (for today!) - after I reinstall Windows, and all the drivers, I will be reinstalling all my programs, right? There's no way to bring them over somehow... right?

 

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 Wouldn't that be great if that could be done _ I tried that ounce and it doesn't work _ well not really.

 

 I tried just plunking Media Smart DVD right onto drive "C" in Program Files (x86), where it normally would have installed itself.

 

 I could only open up the program directly from with in the hard drive. There were no icons or links created at all of course.

 

 When I ordered my dv8 it came with Corel photo editing software, I didn't pay for it or ask for, but there it was installed with no product key. It was some sort of HP branded version...

 However there was no way to install it in a retail version of W7, it could only be installed using the HP recovery discs. I tried saving the program and just putting on drive "C", but with that one I couldn't even open it.

 

 So to answer your question, no, you will have to reinstall your programs the hard way _ it's not really so bad anyway.

 

 

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pbasch
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Re: How to install SSD alongside HDD in dv7-6100

Just want to thank you, HaggisCat, for your thorough replies.  I got the SATA cable today (expensive!), and I'm waiting for a an uninterrupted weekend to do this thing.

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HaggisCat
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Re: How to install SSD alongside HDD in dv7-6100

OK, things usually go pretty well. :smileyhappy:

 

 When you have a chance, feel free to kudos some of my responses. :smileyhappy:

 

 Thanks !!

 

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Re: How to install SSD alongside HDD in dv7-6100

Could you clue me in as to where you bought that "expensive" cable?  Thanks!

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