CPU Compatibility

[Twilighttony]

Hello everyone, my school was giving away an hp compaq elite 8200 without the cpu, so I was looking at cpu's that are sandy bridge and have come across this xeon e3-1225. Would this be compatible with the motherboard? This cpu does also have integrated graphics.

[DGroves]

google is your friend, same for this forums "search" feature....please try them in the future

HP and numerous review sites have published the system specs for this model making locating them quite easy to find in numerous locations on the web

https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c02781693

[BambiBoomZ · Accepted solution]

Twilighttony,

Checking Passmark Baselines, the best CPU results for the HP Compaq Elite 8200 are, in order of best, descending:

i7-2600K

i7-2600

i7-2600S

i5-2500

i5-2400

i3-2120

i3-2100

There were no Xeon listings.

 The i7-2000's are  very good.  The i5's in that series were non-hyperthreading, so consider staying with i7's.

Whenver looking for compatible components make a search for the system by name plus the work "spec" and this will lead to a list of the components that were offered when the systm was new:

https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c02781693#AbT0

BambiBoomZ

[Twilighttony]

Thank you so much. I figured that was the only options for cpu compatibility and I had done lots of google searches, but couldn't clarify if I could or couldn't use xeon in this computer. I even called HP to see if I could get an answer to no avail. Posting here allowed me to be for sure and I purchased an i5-2500 for 30 dollars. I would've gone with an i7 but I am low on money so this will do just fine for now.

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@BambiBoomZ wrote:

Twilighttony,

Checking Passmark Baselines, the best CPU results for the HP Compaq Elite 8200 are, in order of best, descending:

i7-2600K

i7-2600

i7-2600S

i5-2500

i5-2400

i3-2120

i3-2100

There were no Xeon listings.

 The i7-2000's are  very good.  The i5's in that series were non-hyperthreading, so consider staying with i7's.

Whenver looking for compatible components make a search for the system by name plus the work "spec" and this will lead to a list of the components that were offered when the systm was new:

https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c02781693#AbT0

BambiBoomZ

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[s1g3]

this machine's HP official latest published documentation are outdated from Q1 2011.
Unfortunately, most people will still refer to that documentation.

Technically, the i7-2700K should be the latest compatible CPU for your machine.

It was released Q4 2011. The official documentation in regards to CPU support for that machine date from Q1 2011, this could explain why it's not listed. Chances are that the i7-2700K is fully supported.

HP, like too many profit-driven organization, often avoid updating their legacy product's documentation, on-purpose, as an greedy incitative for buyer to buy new equippment..

If anyone here ever tried the 2700K on this specific machine (HP Compaq 8200 Elite CMT), please let us know the output.

[BambiBoomZ]

S1g3,

When considering upgrades useing proprietary motherboards, it's not possible to make absolute assumptions, even based on specifications.

The specifications for I7-2600K and i7-2700K:

Intel Core i7-2600K CPU

http://www.cpu-upgrade.com/CPUs/Intel/Core_i7/i7-2600K.html

Intel Core i7-2700K CPU

http://www.cpu-upgrade.com/CPUs/Intel/Core_i7/i7-2700K.html

While the 2600K and 2700K are both LGA1155 and compatible with the Intel Q67 Express chipset and the i7-2700K was launched 4th Quarter 2011:

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/61275/intel-core-i7-2700k-processor-8m-cache-up...

However, as far as I can tell, the final BIOS update for the HP compaq Elite 8200 was  J01 v2.06 of June 15, 2011, which is 2nd Quarter, 2011 and therefore previous to ther lreases of the i7-2700K.

Doing another search on Passmark with a variety of search terms for HP Compaq Elite 8200 returns zero benchmark results for  the i7-2700K and only seven results for i7-2600K.

The HP Compaq Elite 8200 is not a very high performance system, but there is a system with a rating of 4681.9 / CPU=8596 / 2D=804 (GTX 1050Ti) /3D=5992 / Mem=2309 / Disk=8439 ( "Battle Bot").  that is quite good; my second system is a 2015 HP z420:

HP z420_3: (R 10) Xeon E5-1620 v2 (4C@ 3.7 / 3.9GHz) / 32GB (4X 8GB DDR3-1866 ECC registered / NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 3GB/ Samsung 850 EVO 250GB + HGST 4TB / ASUS Essence STX / Logitech z2300 2.1 / 600W PSU > Windows 7 Professional 64-bit (HP OEM ) > Samsung 40" 4K
[Passmark System Rating: = 4748 / CPU = 10083 / 2D = 783 / 3D = 9768 / Mem = 2643 Disk = 4952 /Single Thread Mark = 2088 [5.9.18]

> and the overall system rating is not tremendously higher.

HP acquired Compaq in 2002 for $24B,  and after considerable further investment, but with  marketing complications and losses- 2011 profits were 1/3 of 2010, ceased the Compaq brand name in 2013.  It is understandable that a multi-billion $ loss on a lower line product would make maintaining updates uneconomical. 

In summary, there may solid reasons- lack of BIOS and chipset driver updates?, that there are no Passmark results for the Elite 8200 using the i7-2700K, but test results suggest that the 8200 Elite with an i7-2600K, strong GPU, and fast disk can produce better performance than one might expect.  I'll wager that the owner of the 8200 with the "Battle Bot" drive is having a reasonable gaming experience.

BambiBoomZ

[s1g3]

However, as far as I can tell, the final BIOS update for the HP compaq Elite 8200 was J01 v2.06 of June 15, 2011, which is 2nd Quarter, 2011 and therefore previous to ther lreases of the i7-2700K.

There was many more release in between the latest Apr, 2018 and 2011:

For full list and detailed changelog:
https://support.hp.com/us-en/drivers/selfservice/swdetails/hp-compaq-8200-elite-convertible-minitowe...

Then click on Revision history  (as you can see, previous-latest version is SP75852 from May 6th 2016

00.02.33 Rev.A

Apr, 12 2018

00.02.32 Rev.A

00.02.31 Rev.A

17.3 MB

Feb 22, 2018

DetailsDownload

02.29 Rev.A

17.3 MB

May 6, 2016

DetailsDownload

v02.28 Rev.A

17.2 MB

May 8, 2015

DetailsDownload

v02.27 Rev.A

17.2 MB

Mar 13, 2015

DetailsDownload

2.25 Rev. D

17.2 MB

Mar 5, 2014

DetailsDownload

2.24 Rev. A

17.2 MB

Oct 11, 2013

DetailsDownload

2.23 Rev. A

17.2 MB

May 28, 2013

DetailsDownload

2.21 Rev. A

15.8 MB

Jul 9, 2012

DetailsDownload

2.15 Rev. A

15.8 MB

Nov 28, 2011

DetailsDownload

2.14 Rev. A

15.8 MB

Nov 1, 2011

DetailsDownload

2.09 Rev. A

15.8 MB

Jul 11, 2011

DetailsDownload

2.06 Rev. A

15.8 MB

Jun 15, 2011

DetailsDownload

I know they have updated the Intel CPU microcode many time within those release, but I have no idea if they have purposely avoided adding the 2700K

Sorry for the layout, HP stripped my clean-formatted html table:

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[BambiBoomZ]

S1g3,

Apparently, the most recent BIOS  for the Compaq Elite 8200 is:  00.02.32 Rev.A   17.3 MB   Jun 20, 2018

https://support.hp.com/us-en/drivers/selfservice/hp-compaq-8200-elite-convertible-minitower-pc/50379...

Gven that of the 234,  8200 Elites tested on Passmark, there are no i7-2700K's listed, and that a used i7-2700K can cost as much as an entire 8200 Elite -the most recent Ebahh sale with of an i7-2700K was $119.50, whereas the most recent sale of a working 8200 / i7-2600 system was $95, and in any event  that the i7-2600 is 4C@3.4/3.8 and i7-2700K is 3.5 /3.9Ghz, the cost/benefit of  adding +100MHz costing as much as the system value, is in my view, not advisable. 

For example, if the the current system in good order was worth, say $120 at sale, and an i7-2700K costs $100, the same value applied to a more modern system , e.g, HP z420 makes a better investment. There was a recent sale on Ebahhh for $142 of "HP Z420 Workstation F9B37UC#ABA Xeon E5-1650 V2 3.5GHZ 16GB"   That system hah no HD, but would be a very good starting point.  The highest Passmark rated  z420 / E5-1650 v2 are: Rating=5941 / CPU=14382 (at 3.5/4.2GHz)  / 2D= 811 / 3D=10975 (GTX 10070 / Mem= 2940 / Disk = 12194 (Samsung 950 PRo MVMe.  Compare, the highest benchmarks for the Compaq Elite 8200 are: Rating= 4056 / CPU=8396 / 2D= 809 / 3D=6521 (GTX 1050Ti) / Mem= 2380 / Disk = 7829 , therefore it seems certain that the best Elite 8200 can not equal the best z420 / E5-1650 v2, plus the 8200 is DDR3-1333 instead of 1866 / USB2.0 instead of 3.0, and etc., . Still, in my view the performance of the Elite 8200 with the i7-2600 having an adequate GPU is completely usable today- in fact a surprisingly good value.

If a performance upgrade is needed, and as a better upgrade investment, my suggestion would be a z420 with an E5-1620 V2 or better, the E5-1650 v2 mentioned, as the E5-1650 v2 can be easily overclocked to 4.1GHz on all cores, and there's 1866 ECC RAM, USB 3.0, and etc. 

I upgraded an inexpensive z420 /  E5-1620 v2 to run a 40" 4K monitor for working with large images.  This started out for $136 in it's original box and all accessories and today is:  

HP z420_3: (R 10) Xeon E5-1620 v2 (4C@ 3.7 / 3.9GHz) / 32GB (4X 8GB DDR3-1866 ECC registered / NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 3GB/ Samsung 850 EVO 250GB + HGST 4TB / ASUS Essence STX / Logitech z2300 2.1 / 600W PSU > Windows 7 Professional 64-bit (HP OEM ) > Samsung 40" 4K
[Passmark System Rating: = 4748 / CPU = 10083 / 2D = 783 / 3D = 9768 / Mem = 2643 Disk = 4952 /Single Thread Mark = 2088 [5.9.18]

The z420 can use ECC registered which is inexpensive- the 32GB (Samsung /IBM  4X 8GB) in the above system cost only $52 a couple of weeks ago. This system is very near to having an E5-1650 V2.

Note the Passmark Single Thread Mark of 2088 for the E5-1620 v2- selling for about $50 today, where the average STM for the i7-2600 is 1921- still very usable, but the $100+  i7-2700K is rated at 2004.  Simply put - 2088 for $50 is a better value than 2004 for $100. 

BambiBoomZ 

[s1g3]

Thanks for the input, and advise the logical upgrade/incremental/investment side of all this.

>> BambiBoomZ says: Apparently, the most recent BIOS  for the Compaq Elite 8200 is:  00.02.32 Rev.A   17.3 MB   Jun 20, 2018

The latest is actually 02.33PassA.Rev.1 from May 12 2019 (for some reason it's not available from their webpage, only through their Softpaq Download Manager app), I've just flashed my BIOS with it.

However, there many situation where the knowledge of thing has nothing to do with personal gain/loss evaluation.

This not only include the entire "enthusiast/researching/tweaking" scope, but also many more specific use-case scenarios.

For instance, I do have many older cpu here, including an i7-2700K ...

I do use a 8200 CMT machine here, It's dedicated to specific tasks and is ran almost 24/7..

For any piece of hardware I get, I try to get the most of them before replacing them.

It's all about knowing. I'm in no way interested in the value of personal gain/loss of this ..

We need and should promote this approach, and never compare it to that of a personal or commercial benefits evaluation. Those are covering completely different scopes and needs.

For instance, i'm sure many would actually appreciate to know the result of my testing of the i7-2700K on the 8200. Wether it is beneficial or worth as an upgrade is not to be considered at all here, only knowledge, and validity of the current available official product information (which here, is not current, for conflictual gain/loss consideration).