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Well during the past few days I've been trying to get windows 10 installed on the newly acquired Samsung 970 Pro, unfortunately until now without success.

The 970 is sitting on this PCI-e adapter in the top PCIe3 x8 (4) — CPU0 slot of my HP Z820. I know OP has his NVME sitting in a different adapter in the lowest slot but the slot I chose to plug it in to should be fine right.

I have tried the DUET/REFIND method like our professor @DGroves suggested, there is actually also a 2019 version of it, however both didn't work. I thought it was about to succeed, when I managed to boot into DUET and then get the Windows installer to start and I even could select the NVME drive as the medium to install on, where it not that after copying files the installation has to restart the computer to carry on. With the installer USB still plugged in, the installation just starts over, like in a loop. Without the USB Installer plugged in, there is nothing to select in de DUET boot manager.

I have tried the Clover method as well, to no avail.

Then I found this YouTube video but I got stuck at some point where I was left staring at a grub command line.

So I don't know what I am doing wrong or missing (maybe missing certain files or whatever), I'm at a point where the amount of different things I've seen on the internet is overloading my head!

The whole purpose of buying the Samsung 970 Pro was to get Windows to boot from it, to gain speed over booting from a regular SSD, having it sitting there just as a storage medium wasn't the plan.

Perhaps someone has an idea and / or willing to help me out (maybe even step by step through a chat platform if someone has time and willing to do so), that would be highly appreciated.

Thanks in advance,

Patrick.

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pm me, and i'll try to help i've got a z800 using duet and i can if necessary try the z820 also

 

some things to check

 

on the z820, set bios to defaults and disable the intel "AMT", 

 

 make sure BOOT FROM USB is enabled in UEFI MENU and also legacy menu section and is the topmost listing

if configured correctly, pressing "F9" key during boot should bring up boot device menu with DUET/REFIND key and win 10 install USB key showing as selectable boot devices

 

if  F9 key is not pressed,  and no win 10 usb key is inserted the duet/REFIND key should execute (does it?)

 

on my z800, i had to use the earlier duet/refind 2015 release did you try that release?

 

the win 10 install key MUST BE A 64bit OS, and it must be a UEFI installer, when you download the win 10 installer from microsoft you are given the options for DVD or USB (select USB) and for USB you must select the UEFI installer option

using the DVD or legacy usb key installer will not work!!!

 

note, the topmost pci-e slot is the correct/preferred slot for the SSD card

 

 

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I admit.  We tried just like you but gave up on our Z820's.  In our case, we moved them to a much lesser task but moved to Z840s - the biggest reason we wanted direct support of the better/newer NVMe SSD.  Rule #1, the original bias was never designed for the new SSD. 

 

And the new Samsung NVMe SSDs are really nice:)  We even teamed the new SSD drives with Condusiv SSDkeeper. Yes, we got greedy and push these Z840s for all they are worth. 

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Well Emilian616 got it to work, I'm not giving up yet!

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Thanks to our Distinguished Professor DGroves I managed to get my HP Z820 booting Windows 10 on the Samsung 970 Pro! All credits to you sir! Again, many many thanks for your perseverance and patience with me, I really appreciate it!

Here’s a How To with all the steps I took to make it work:
 

  1. Set BIOS to "factory" defaults
  2. In BIOS disable Intel "AMT"
  3. In BIOS disable boot from network 
  4. if not booting from the onboard LSI SAS/SATA controller, disable the LSI controller boot rom (do not disable the LSI controller unless you are using an add in Raid card)
  5. In BIOS disable the boot from network card option
  6. Check BIOS boot order section, and make the USB Hard Disk device the top most entry (you can leave the Legacy section as is). Also make sure the Select Boot device Option is enabled (F9 key).
  7. Reboot
  8. download[edit] included, and unzip the files to a desired location

 

Directions For the z820

HOW to MAKE THE USB stick for REFIND.

 

Booting the NVME drive from a older-UEFI capable board that lacks the nvme boot code (like the z820) using REFIND mass-storage without DUET

 

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Refind USBSetup:

 

  1. Connect a USB stick (2gb or less) and go to the UDK2019 folder and start the "USBSetup" application
  2. Select your 2gb USB stick letter from the drop-down combo box. Warning: The following step will completely remove all information and partitions on the selected USB flash drive.
  3. Remove all information and partitions from the usb drive by clicking on: CLEAN
  4. Optional, format the selected usb drive by clicking on: FORMAT
  5. Copy the graphical boot manager REFIND onto the USB stick by clicking on: REFIND
  6. Once done remove the Refind USB stick.
  7. Create a GPT version of Windows 10 x64 installer using a USB stick by either downloading it from the MS website or use the program Rufus to create the USB stick from a Win 10 ISO Image (a 16GB or larger USB stick is required for this). 
  8. Insert the Win 10 installer USB Key into the target system's USB 2.0 port and make sure the Boot from USB option in your system BIOS is configured as the first bootable UEFI device. For the Z820 this will be the top part of the UEFI bios settings. You want the USB Hard Drive Option to be the topmost entry. Do not change any settings in the lower "Legacy Bios" settings, leave as is.
  9. Reboot, the system should boot from the USB key and begin the windows setup follow the prompts and if offered, select "Custom Installation" and remove/delete any existing partitions
  10. Choose your newly installed NVME SSD then click "NEXT"
  11. Let it continue, and when it reboots and comes back to the beginning Windows 10 install screen.
  12. REMOVE THE WIN-10 INSTALL USB drive, and REPLACE IT WITH THE 2GB REFIND USB drive.
  13. Once the usb keys are swapped, click on the red "X" of the Windows setup box and Windows will ask if you want to cancel the win 10 install (click YES) and the system should reboot.
  14. Windows will now load the REFIND nvme/boot manager from the USB stick and then continue the final part of the Windows setup.

 

When Windows setup finishes, you can optionally power off and move the REFIND USB stick inside the Z820 by using a 4 pin to USB adapter to connect the USB stick to the motherboards internal usb header. If you go this route, I strongly recommend you use a USB stick that has a plastic (not metal) shell to prevent possible motherboard shorts if the usb key comes loose or moves around.

 

 

Last, you can hide the REFIND USB key from the windows OS by using "Disk Management"

and remove the USB stick drive letter.
 

A side note, as ebay is currently flooded with the  enterprise SM953 SSD please note that this SSD is not compatible with the samsung retail 3.x driver. If installed on a pm953 the system will not boot. 

 

If you want to use a samsung driver for the pm953 you need the enterprise driver v1.4 this driver was part of the HP moonshot driver package just remember to not overwrite it with the retail 3.1 drivers and you will be fine. See https://support.hpe.com/hpsc/swd/public/detail?swItemId=MTX-65d3de5e319f4bf3b3125814f6 for details.

 

Hopefully this HOW TO is helpful in order to get your HP Z820 booting from an NVME SSD.

Here are the results of a benchmark test:

 

Samsung 970 Pro NVME Benchmark testSamsung 970 Pro NVME Benchmark testSamsung 970 Pro NVME Benchmark test

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The NVME Samsung 970 Pro is performing well!

 

Benchmark Crystaldisk.jpg

 

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booting nvme on the z800 is easier than the z820 as there is no usb key swapping involved during setup 

 

however you do need to use DUET + Refind (not just refind) in creating the nvme boot usb key

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I have read through your posts on this question or issue and since CampduBlanc as well as Emilian616 was able to get the Samsung 970 Pro installed on a Z820 as a boot drive, I am going to (almost certainly will try to) do this on my hp Z620.  I was going to convert from a hard drive  to an SSD Sata-3 boot device, but NVMe looks like the better route if one can get it to work as the boot device.

 

Couple questions before I start this and before I buy an NVMe card.

1.  Do any of you know any reason that the procedure of Campdublanc will not work on a Z620? 

2.  How much flexibility do I have on the NVMe card?  Must it be a Samsung 970 Pro?  Or will this procedure, as best you know, work on pretty much any NVMe card?  I intend to get a 256 GB (or thereabouts) capacity card.  I typically set my computers up so the OS (Windows 10 in this case) is on its own dedicated hard drive and will do the same here.  

 

Thanks. 

 

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I am reading (and re-reading) key parts of the posts in this thread to understand what to do (and why) before I start doing anything. 

 

I might be a little slow at times, but here is something I want to confirm and ensure I understand.  It sounds, from the posts of DGroves and Campdublanc, that after using Duet/REFIND (on a USB memory stick) to get the NVMe setup as the boot device with Windows 10 installed on it, that I need to keep the USB memory stick installed forever after that.  Since rEFInd code acts as a boot manager, it will direct the system to the NVMe card to find the OS - thus the reason why it will be needed forever.   And based on their posts, it sounds like the USB Memory Stick can be installed inside the case by installing it on the motherboard - that there is or should be a place to plug in the USB memory stick. 

 

Can someone confirm that the USB memory stick with Duet/REFIND must be plugged in forever after this?   (or NOT)

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yes the usb key with the nvme boot partition must always be  available during boot/warm boots,.... so for all practical purposes the key must remain in the USB slot  at all times

 

as i have mentioned, the z800/z600 require the key to be prepped with Duet + Refind since the bios is not uefi enabled

 

for the z820/z620 only refind is required on the usb key since the bios is uefi enabled

 

this link may also help you

 

https://www.win-raid.com/t3286f50-Guide-NVMe-boot-for-systems-with-legacy-BIOS-and-older-UEFI-DUET-R...

 

i personally place the usb key inside the case using a usb 4 pin to USB male 4in adapter cable if you go this route the adapter cable and usb key should be covered in plastic to prevent possible shorts

 

one last thing, you may need to determine the USB port number the key is on, to do this simply select each of the shown ports in the boot menu till it "kicks" and this usb port number corresponds to the port# the key is in

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