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08-07-2019 04:54 AM
I’m looking at buying an older system the z210 LW007PA#ABG from a guy off eBay, I’m wanting to upgrade the graphics card to an nvidia quadro fx 1800, the system has on board graphics card, I got the guy to check in the bios to try and find where the on board card is to see if it can be disabled, he sent me a video of him looking for it but there is no option that we could see to disable the on board card, the mother board has the slots for dedicated graphics card but we’re not sure if it can be upgraded, also does the power supply provide power cable needed to supply power to the quadro fx 1800? Is this specific model z210 LW007PA#ABG allow graphics card upgrade?
thanks for your help guys.
08-07-2019 06:12 AM
the z210 is a entry level system and is limited in upgrade options due to its low wattage CUSTOM POWER SUPPLY
for the Small Form Factor model and 430 watts for the minitower model which can use up to a 130 watt card
several people have done custom modding to fit the z400 600 watt supply but this is not recommended unless you have electronic skills to rewire the supply
the onboard video will self disable when a video card is installed into a pci-e slot
for the z210 SFF model, any video card must not use a AUX gpu power connector (card must draw less than 75 watts)
the nvidia 1030 or some of the 750TI series meet this requirement
08-07-2019 07:16 AM - edited 08-07-2019 07:21 AM
When installing a dedicated GPU, the on-board graphics should automatically be disabled.
The z210 SSF, due to the case dimensions and 240W power supply will have important limitations as to the graphics card; size and power requirements.
The original optional GPU's
Integrated Intel HD Graphics Media Accelerators (Z210):
The AMD FirePro 2270 512MB card does appear to be a more or less full size card. The Quadro FX 1800 768MB is about the same size and as a 68W card should work on the 240W PSU; it does not need a power connector. I had an FX 1800 in Dell Precision 390 (2007) and it was quite good for the time. That is now replaced by a Quadro K2200 4GB which happens to also be a 68W card and quite compact. If the applications require a Quadro, the K2200 4GB is quite good value, selling currently (8.19) for as little as $60.
Looking at the HP z210 prices, in my view, for a similar cost, it's possible to have much higher performance potential and a better upgrade path. The z210 uses Xeon E3-1200 series or i3/ i5/ i7 2nd generation ,the system can use a maximum of a 4-core processor, 16GB of DDR3-1333, the disk system is SATAII, and the USB is 2.0. While the top performing CPU, the i7-2600 4C@ 3.4/3.8GHz (used $65- $100) is still useful, with a Passmark average CPU Mark of 8185 and Single Thread Mark of 1921,
The last two z210 / i7-2600 /16GB systems sold for about $190 with shipping.
For comparison, consider an HP z420 / Xeon E5-1620 v2 ( 6-core@ 3.7 /3.9GHz (CPU=9492 / Single Thread = 1925), can use 64GB of DDR3-1866. has SATAIII disk, and USB 3.0. I had a z420 with an E5-1620 v2 (cost $48) Passmark CPU score was 10185 and single Thread was 2142. The 1620 v2 was changed to an E5-1680 v2 running in a z420 at 4.3GHz on all 8-cores and the Passmark CPU score was 17006 and single Thread was 2373:
HP z420_3 (2014) (Rev 5) > Xeon E5-1680 v2 (8-core@ 4.3GHz) / z420 Liquid Cooling / 64GB DDR3-1866 ECC Reg / Quadro P2000 5GB / HP Z Turbo Drive 256GB AHCI + Intel 730 480GB + HGST 7K6000 4TB / 600W PSU /> Windows 7 Prof.’l 64-bit > 2X Dell Ultrasharp U2715H (2560 X 1440) / Focusrite Scarlett 2i4 USB interface
[ Passmark Rating = 6227 / CPU rating = 17006 / 2D = 826 / 3D= 8877 / Mem = 3025 / Disk = 14577 / Single Thread Mark = 2373 [5.28.18]
That was at the time, the highest rated HP z420 0f 1,352 tested, showing the potential of the z420.
That system currently is running an E5-1650 v2 (cost $90) with all 6-cores @ 4.3Cores using the z420 liquid cooling ($62) CPU= 15293 and single thread= 2384. The last two z420s / E5-1620 v2 /16GB RAM sold on Ebayh for $180 and $220. The point is that for a similar cost, the performance is much better and the possibility of improvement is much better over a longer term= a better investment.
HP z620_2 (2017) (R7) > Xeon E5-1680 v2 (8-core@ 4.3GHz) / z420 Liquid Cooling / 64GB DDR3-1866 ECC Reg / Quadro P2000 5GB _ GTX 1070 Ti 8GB / HP Z Turbo Drive M.2 256GB AHCI + Samsung 970 EVO M.2 NVMe 500GB + HGST 7K6000 4TB / Focusrite Scarlett 2i4 sound interface + 2X Mackie MR824 / 825W PSU /> HP OEM Windows 7 Prof.’l 64-bit > 2X Dell Ultrasharp U2715H (2560 X 1440)
[ Passmark Rating = 6280 / CPU rating = 17178 / 2D = 819 / 3D= 12629 / Mem = 3002 / Disk = 13751 / Single Thread Mark = 2368 [10.23.18]
HP z420_3: (2015) (R12) Xeon E5-1650 v2 (6C@ 4.3GHz) / z420 Liquid cooling / 32GB (4X 8GB DDR3-1866 ECC registered / NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 6GB/ Samsung 860 EVO 500GB + HGST 4TB / ASUS Essence STX / Logitech z2300 2.1 / 600W PSU > Windows 7 Professional 64-bit (HP OEM ) > Samsung 40" 4K
[Passmark System Rating: = 5644 / CPU = 15293 / 2D = 847 / 3D = 10953 / Mem = 2997 Disk = 4858 /Single Thread Mark = 2384 [6.27.19]
08-07-2019 09:54 PM
Thanks for that information,
i was wrong in my original post the card I have is a quadro fx3800 sorry, I checked the specs its max power is 108watts and draws power from the power pin connector, so I would assume I can not use this card in this machine, correct?
thank you for your help.
08-08-2019 03:05 AM
Hello again guys,
I also have a quadro fx 580 power rated at 40watts and I also I have a gforce g210 rated at 31watts would both of these cards work in the z210?
i didn’t really want to downgrade the card but I could still use one of those cards if needed.
08-08-2019 09:35 AM - edited 08-08-2019 09:39 AM
Yes, avoid any GPU that requires a power connection. The slot provides 75W, so check each potential choice for a 75W or less rating. It should also be a single height card with a single blower-style fan. Workstation cases are designed to be quiet such that the air flow is not as efficient as modern gaming cases. The multiple fan /open heat sinks allow the GPU heat to build up in the case.
It's possible to use an FX 580, but that is a 512MB card and for today's applications, I think 2GB should be the minimum. In general, the newer the series the more efficient, and the Quadro K2200 is 4GB but still only 68W and = no connector. I have a Firepro V5900 2GB that I'm testing in a 2007 Dell Dimension 520 (Core2 Quad Q6700 2.66GHz / 8GB) and that 2GB card is rated at 75W, which almost disqualifies it due the from the E520's 305W PSU.
I would suggest the K2200 as the best long term, if there's any 3D modeling or GPU rendering involved, and reasonably priced Quadro. The K620 2GB is in my view the absolutely minimum Quadro - that is unless it's only a server monitor card. I have an ancient Dell Poweredge 2600 server and the monitor is run on an FX580.
Just last week I added a Quadro K2200 4GB ($61) to a 2007 Dell Precision 390 (Xeon X3230 2.66GHx /8GB) replacing the Firepro V5900 2GB, and the performance is very good, a Passmark 3287 in 3D and 814 2D. The V5900 had a 3D mark of 1377. For comparison, an FX580 averages a 3D of only 269.
08-08-2019 09:58 AM - edited 08-08-2019 10:00 AM
BambiboomZ,....i beg to differ with your statement that
"Workstation cases are designed to be quiet such that the air flow is not as efficient as modern gaming cases"
all tier one workstation venders (HP/Dell/Lenovo/supermicro and possibly others i am forgetting) sell workstations with cases that they design and test for airflow, and since they know exactly which (and how many) cards/cpu/heatsinks/ram will be installed they will also specify which slot a specific card works best in in many cases. this allows the workstation vender to tune the system such that they know almost to the watt how much a system generates in heat, and how many watts it will consume in power as such the cooling systems are rather quiet and efficient when staying with the OEM qualified parts
as such i respectfully state that most newer workstation cases are quiet and very efficient in cooling the system
most gaming cases i have seen seem to be preoccupied with bling RGB lighting and how many fans they can stuff in a case rather than actually doing comprehensive airflow testing.... more fans is not always better!! even the tier one case makers like cooler master may not do testing as through as a OEM workstation maker like HP does
where mid/high end cases excel is the ability of the user to choose a case that fits their needs as workstations are limited in choices, however with that freedom to choose a case comes the responsibility of the buyer to determine if a case has adequate cooling and sadly this is something most case makers fail to show any data on so it's next to impossible to actually find out just how well a case does cool
08-08-2019 12:19 PM
Reviewing a quite a number of controlled thermal tests of PC cases over the years demonstrates that gaming cases have a much higher total fan area running at higher RPM , and the fans of gaming cases are located closer to the surface and may be located on a greater variety of surfaces. No proprietary workstation case has fan / radiator mounting on the top and/or sides. The fascia fans on workstations are usually limited to a single, medium diameter lower fan while gaming cases may have the entire front a stack of of 120mm or 140mm fans:
Many gaming cases will have a large proportion of the top available for mounting liquid cooling radiators:
There are some cases with fans on the bottom, the idea being that there is a vertical air flow in through the elevated bottom and exhausted out the multiple fans on the top.
These surface-mounted fans produce a much higher internal air flow, but the location on the surface adds to the noise emanated: undesirable on a workstation.
For contrast, workstation cases have the fans located well inside the case. The HP Z6:
The only surface mounted fan is the back panel exhaust fan. This design has shrouds configured such that the front CPU heat does not contribute to the heat of the rear CPU.
Also, all workstation GPU's are designed with blower-style fans to conduct the GPU heat out of the the back of the case: Quadro RTX 4000:
> and that is so the GPU heat is mostly shoved out the rear panel and doesn't contribute to the internal heat in cases having lower air flow. Workstation GPU's also typically have lower power limits, which can't be altered, and are not overclockable so as to limit the heat contribution to the case. I use a GTX 1070 Ti 8GB in a z620- ostensibly a gaming GPU, and usually with two or three large fans but this one is an MSI Aero with a blower:
Gaming GPU's may have up to three large fans that blow down through the heatsink and are exhausted on all sides. Most NVIDIA RTX 2070 Super:
A very different thermal design priority.
Yes, workstation cases - and GPU's- are carefully designed for thermal control, but the WS designs have a much higher priority of noise control than for gaming use.
There are certainly those who build systems for workstation uses that employ gaming cases with multiple surface mounted fans and/or liquid radiators, but in twenty years I've never seen an HP, Dell, Lenovo, or Supermicro WS designed in that way.
08-08-2019 12:50 PM
moving air, and moving air in sufficient quantity where it needs to go are not the same thing,......
anyone can slap fans onto a case and perhaps move a lot of air if the exhaust is not a restriction however it's a different thing entirely to move air into/around places where it needs to go i've seen many 3rd party cases that fail to adequately cool parts of the motherboard or fail to prevent dead spaces in between add in cards
and i've never seen a workstation case that has improper cooling,....but i can't say the same for 3rd party cases
i've also seen motherboard failures due to a watercooling kit failing to provide proper cooling to the components around the
cpu that the factory fan/heatsink cooled
again i'm not saying that all 3rd party cases are bad at cooling only that i disagree with your statement that a workstation case is inferior in proper cooling compared to a gaming case and should be discarded in favor of a gaming case