HP Z230 Tower heatsink

[drejtori69]

Hello i want to change my cpu heatsink but i dont know what type of mounting system it uses.
Any recommendations ?

Thanx !

[DGroves]

google for the HP "quickspecs z230" and in those specs you will se the listed cpu and cpu revision IE-v1/v2/v3 and so on

once you know the cpu model/revision you can then google that and find out the socket used

https://www.manualslib.com/manual/670101/Hp-Z230-Sff-Workstation.html?page=3#manual

Last, why do you want to replace the correct heatsink that was designed to work properly with a aftermarket one that may not perform as well?

from a previous post of mine:

just a quick followup for those who looked at the heatsink/fan the original poster had installed

while the heatsink shown is a large cooler that looks like it should cool the 130 watt cpu with no problems, looks can be deceiving!! while there are some quality heatsinks from known major heatsink makers that will cool 130 watt cpu's you can also find cheaply engineered crap all to often that use substandard parts/build methods that result in a large flashy cooler that in reality has issues cooling a 80 watt load much less a 130 watt one. couple this with a cheap fan and you have a cooler thay may cause thermal throttling at best or cpu damage at worst

hp goes to great lenghts to insure that the cooling subsystems on their workstations will work without issues on a base system up to one fully loaded with optional hardware 24/7 at reasonable decibel (sound ) levels

don't be fooled into thinking that the hp coolers from hp are crap because they are small, as hp takes a lot of time selecting quality parts for their heat sinks and quality fans, the stock hp heatsinks will usually last the lifetime of the system

here are some links that cover in detail what goes into desigining a heatsink:

http://semi-therm.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Heat-Pipe-Vapor-Chamber-Heat-Sink-Design-Guidelines...

http://digitalcommons.calpoly.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1135&context=imesp

[drejtori69]

Hello and thanx for the reply,
I have many days that i googled about this problem and nothing came out of it.
The mounting holes of the heatsink are proprietary and not like the normal for LGA 1150 that i have. So i asked here to see if anybody has changed the heatsink before because a normal Lga 1150 heatsink has a square mounting pattern and the one from hp has a rectangle one.
The reason i want to change the heatsink it's because under full Load the temp goes north of 90 degrees celcius and close to 50 only by browsing the HP forum. So i know that this is not a good temperature by experience. Second the heatsink is made only of aluminum, a workstation must have a heatsink made of mixture of cooper ,aluminum and heatpipes. And last but not least the fan control sucks. The max automatic fan speed was short of 1300rpm under full load. I know it goes more because when i change the bios settings to manually maximun it goes north of 3000rpm.
So i dont think its crap only because its made by hp, but i tested it and came to that conclusion.Its not the end of the world but i think i simple cooler made of heatpipes could improve the temp by at least -10 degrees celcius in full load

[DGroves]

not to be rude, but you seem to have little real world experence reguarding just what/how a heatsink is made or selected which is normal as making a proper heatsink is not just bigger and copper colored fins must make a better heatsink

heatsink/thermal design is a very complex field, same for fan design HP does not want to release a workstation class or server class system with cooling that is borderline and will result in a higher failure rate/more support calls

as to your 90c temp statement i find that hard to  accept since a TCase temp of 90c= 194 degrees Fahrenheit

which is well above the cpu's 73c/163  Fahrenheit Max TCase temp where the cpu throttles..... at your stated temp the system would be almost non responsive due to the extreme throttling of the cpu and the system fans would be defaulting at full rpm's and making quite a racket, which seems not to be the case, which is why i doubt the 90c temp reading you have posted

the builtin cpu temp sensor that is in the bios is fairly accurate and should be used/trusted over 3rd party software that have not been calibrated  you your system

The mounting holes of the heatsink are "NOT" proprietary , and are a standard!,  however the LGA 1150 narrow mount is not as popular as the more common wide 1150 mounting socket

" a workstation must have a heatsink made of mixture of cooper ,aluminum and heatpipes "

based on what requirements? the above statement shows that you do not understand why a heatinksink material/size is selected for a given task while in general a larger heatsink has the poential for better cooling, there is a dimishing return with each size increase

HP allows you to increase the default system fan speed depending on the tempture (and load the system is under)

for almost all users the default minimum setting is well withing the systems operating range

your testing methods of system cooling and heatsink requirements as you have posted are not based on any approved scientific testing method and your conclusions are highly suspect

however, it's your system so you do have the right to install anything you want, so have at it and good luck, hope it ends up working out for you

[drejtori69]

Hello and thanx again for the reply.
You are not being rude but you are being a little wrong about the heatsink, Why ?

Because, i know that a proper heatsink is not just bigger and copper colored fins, but we can both agree that cooper is better than aluminum in term of heat exchanging and heat pipes are better than heatsink.
It is true that you cant make a better heatsink just by adding a cooper heatpipe. It is a thermodynamics procces and a complex procces that involves a lot of testing, but if you search for the best heatsinks on the internet you will find that all have heatpipes and cooper. Even the best that HP offers are as i say. For example you can see the heasink of HP Z420.

On the other side. I made a quick test just for you so i can prove what i have written before and to respond to your questions.
Yes the systems throttle when i am doing the stress test
No the fans are not defaulting at max rpm during the test
Yes i can change the minimum fan speed but you have to do that in BIOS or via the performance advisor and you have to restart the PC so it is not a convenient option because i have to restart my pc everytime i think that i am doing a cpu intensive work.


I have attached some photos here

The first one is to prove you that i am not using a third party app to monitor the temp and the speed of the Fan. I am using HP Performance Advisor.
As you can see the fan idle mode is default 

This one is under a stress test. I am using Intel XTU so we cant say it is a third party app because its from the one that made the CPU 😛 however i am still relaying on HP performance advisor for the readings of temp and the rpm of fans
As you can see i got 82 degrees in the cpu. It goes up to 85 but it was for a short time and i cant make a print screen that fast because the Hp performance advisor monitor its manual so i have to press first the refresh sensors button.
The Cpu Fan is only shy of 1300 rpm. i dont have a screenshoot now but it goes higher.

Load System

So tell me what do you think.

And about what you said "LGA 1150 narrow mount is not as popular as the more common wide 1150 mounting socket"

I have found info about this that is mainly used in servers boards, but if you have some more info about it it could really help. Or if you can tell if any other manufacter has made this type of heatsinks, maybe cooler master NOctua ?

[DGroves]

i'm going to leave this thread as is, you have some ideas about cooling/heatsinks that are based on half truths and unsupported guesses while it's easy to buy a heatpipe based cooler, it's a bit harder to buy a GOOD Cooler (heatpipe based or not) i gave you some links to read that just touch on whats involved in desiging a cooling system for a given application and you either did not read them or did not understand them if and when you do,.. you may understand that copper is not allways the choice of a design engineer in every case.  same for heatpipes, and did you even know how many diffrent types of heatpipes there are? and in which circumstance one type of heat pipe is a better choice over others? and why a vapor chamber is better than a heatpipe in many cases, or why a vapor chamber with heatpipes is best suited for other cases and a milled block of metal is the best thermal solution in other cases

pc makers pounced on the heatpipe as a buzzword several years ago and since then lots of people think that only heatpipes are the best for a cooling solution (not so) they are generally the cheapest way to "MOVE" heat from one place to another... heatpipes by themselves are piss poor radiators of heat it's what lies between the pipes that  disapates the heat by radating it away 

last:

 "i got 82 degrees in the cpu. It goes up to 85 but it was for a short time"

the above temps are within spec for the intel processor during a stress test, nothing wrong with those results your searching for a solution to problem that does not really exist stress tests place loads on a system that are not realistic

and very unlikely to be reached in normal day to day usage

"i have to restart my pc everytime i think that i am doing a cpu intensive work."

no you do not, the hp cooling system is perfectly capable of increasing the fan speeds all by itself when needed

again,... your searching for a solution to a problem that does not exist

perhaps "forum poster "SDH" will reply to this thread  and give his thoghts on your cooling questions

but i have done what i could answering your cooling questions based on my years in the pc/IT fields

at this point i can offer nothing else. good luck

your HP designed cooling system is more than capable of cooling your system, and while it's possible to perhaps improve on it your not going to do so by simply slapping on a cheaply made china made cooler even if said cooler has a copper colored base/fins if you insist going this route stick to brands like Noctua, Cryorig,  Cooler Master that have been around for years and have had their products reviewed

[drejtori69]

The problem is like that,

You are going to details that are useless in this thread. Because clearly you know more than i do about cooling systems and i do not want to argue with you about that. Again i dont think that a 5$ china heatsink with a heatpipe will do the work better that the one from hp.
I just look at the facts. Best heatsinks from big brands like Noctua Cooler Master and even HP itself when they offer a top of the line heatsink it has heatpipes cooper and vapor chambers and other things that i dont know them all. So even someone that does not know a thing about pc cooling can see that.
Reviews all over the internet from known reviewers has always proved that aftermarket coolers can reduce the temp more than a stock one(not the best one) and since my pc is an entry level workstation it does not make sense to throw the best heatsink in there because they cost more money

I dont think tha my PC has a problem because it runs fine, i just want it to run cooler

And the true question that i have, and this is the question that your answer will help me a lot is :

What kind of mounting system has the HP z230 MT and where can i find parts with this type of mounting system ?

Again i appreciate all the time that you have dedicated to my thread. Thank you !