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11-18-2023 07:58 AM
My machine is an Hp Z440 Workstation. I use it for video editing and rendering with the program called Shotcut.
Cpu: Intel Xeon E5 2697 v3
Gpu: Nvidia Quadro K5000
Ram: Sk Hynix HMA41GR7MFR8N-TF DDR4 (4*8 Gb)
Storage: Kingstone SA400S37240G (225Gb)
Kingstone SNV2S250G (233Gb)
Operating System: Win10 pro x64
During PC monitoring, the maximum usage is cpu 35%, gpu 30%, ram 50% (of which shotcut 35%).
Videos are edited in 4K resolution.What kind of hardware development could be used to make the timeline continuous, perhaps within a setting program?
11-19-2023 09:39 AM - edited 11-19-2023 05:58 PM
I do zero video editing, and don't know that program you refer to. Is it multithreaded? If so then your current use of your v3 processor with 14 cores may be reasonable. Another forum member may help with whether that is best or whether another would be better for you. Luckily prices for these processors have really come down. Kingstone is Kingston.
A few tips: You're using a slower processor and memory than is possible. You have a v3 with max speed 2133 but that workstation can also run v4 processors with max speed of 2400. You want memory speed to at least match the fastest your processor can run, or it will drag your processor speed down (and the converse is also true). Also sounds like you'd benefit from more memory. You can find 4GB and 8GB HP 2400 speed memory sticks recycled on eBay. For example, 8 x 8GB would be nice, and it sounds like you have 4 x 8GB sticks already but of the slower 2133 type. Do you have a proper Quad Channel memory installation?
A major improvement would be to buy a version 1 or version 2 HP Z Turbo Drive Dual Pro straight from HP on their eBay site and learn how to use it properly. That is for you to place it in PCIe slot 4 (a PCIe Gen3 x8 electrical lanes slot), with BIOS set to bifurcation on and subset to x4x4 for that slot. That way you could have a very fast NVMe M.2 stick up in the upper ZTD DP socket ("primary", for boot and apps) and a 2TB or 4TB NVMe M.2 stick in its lower socket ("secondary", for very fast access to the projects you're currently working on). The newer version 2 ZTD DP is rated by HP for use up to PCIe Gen4 and Gen5 but it is also backwards compatible to Gen3 which our Zx40 generation workstations max out at. I use exactly that, have upgraded to a v4 processor, and also to 8 x 8GB 2400 memory. It is a significant improvement for what we do. For back-burner project data sets you could shift those over to a SATAIII SSD attached to a SATAIII port on the motherboard. I'm running my personal Z440 here with only the ZTD DP... no HDD or SATA SSD is inside.
Before you do any of that make sure you're running the latest BIOS, and I've posted on how to do that most easily and safely here on the forum... updating BIOS from within BIOS. You need to not be on old BIOS for v4 processors and access to bifurcation.
EDIT: AVID has provided some advice on tuning specific workstations for use with their software. There are some good tips for BIOS and other things in their PDF for the Z440. Note that certain BIOS settings come from the factory optimized for power savings. Same for some in-OS settings. You can also tune for performance. I'll not get into those issues but attached is that AVID PDF.
11-25-2023 09:26 AM - edited 11-26-2023 12:06 AM
The machine has an Axagon Internal PCIe adapter for NVMe & Sata M.2 SSd. It contains the Kingstone SNV2S250G (233Gb). Would hp be better? Where can I find a complete hp z440 compatible cpu list?
Thank you for your help so far .
In the meantime, I have read more about the information I have received so far, so I can see that the Hp adapter is better.
What cpu is in your machine?
I also received help on the shotcut forum, I set it up in the software as well. And the Avid info helped too.
11-25-2023 11:41 AM - edited 11-26-2023 07:23 PM
all of the software listed below is capable of doing what you ask, however as to which suits your needs best is something you will have to determine yourself keeping in mind cpu core count vs cpu core speed abilities of each program as "SDH" mentioned
- Final Cut Pro.
- Vegas Pro.
- Adobe Premiere Pro.
- Riverside.
- VideoStudio Ultimate.
- iMovie.
- Cyberlink PowerDirector.
- Pinnacle Studio.
the z440 uses the Intel C612 chipset and supports both the E5-2600 v3 with up to eight cores at speeds of up to 2133MHZ, or the E5-2600 v4 processors with up to four cores and transfer speeds of up to 2400MHz.
this link is to the intel v4 xeon cpu's that the z440 is able to use (not all cpu's that work are HP approved) for the z440 stay with the single/dual chip 16xx/26xx models
the Z440 is capable of using most v3/v4 xeon cpu's however HP only tested/certified some of the various models released, it's capable of using just most of the v3/v4 SINGLE CHIP cpu's and might be able to use some of the quad cpu models although these models would offer no real benefit
11-26-2023 10:23 AM - edited 11-26-2023 12:00 PM
DGroves' advice is excellent. Here's my input:
1. Attached below is the latest Z440 QuickSpecs I've ever found, and I've highlighted the HP-certified v4 processors I'd consider. Note that many if not all of the v4 processors certified by HP for the Z640 will likely also work in a Z440... the two motherboards are near identical and the BIOS used is identical. A large number of those have been confirmed to work in both. I chose the E5-1660 v4, which is a fast hexacore with the higher amount of cache. The one just above that in the PDF below was a pretty big jump in price on eBay (as is often the case for numero uno). There are some compatible processors that run slower but have many more cores. I don't need or want that. There is a balance between single thread speed and number of cores that you need to learn about and choose. Day in and out you'll benefit from a high single thread speed but your programs for editing will likely be multithreaded and want at least a certain number of cores. Your job is to research that and not error on the side of getting one with an unnecessary number of cores (because you'll then suffer from loss of necessary speed by doing that).
2. Learn how to use the Intel Ark site to figure out the sSpec code of your processors of interest. Use that code to search on eBay for used processors. Usually there is only one but if there are two steppings in Ark you'd want the more recent one, and would use the more recent sSpec code. You'll be surprised at how inexpensive some of the mega-core processors are, but I'm not interested in them.
3. You want to use at least 2400 memory for your v4 2400 processor and learn about quad channel memory loading. I tend towards filling all memory sockets with identical memory, all ECC buffered, and based on what HP uses. I've just recently been experimenting with some Z4 G4 2666 and 2933 memory that works fine in the Z440... the processor has the memory controller and will downshift the memory speed to match itself. Slow memory will slow down a faster processor, and vice versa.
4. There is no doubt at all that the HP dual pro would be what I'd want, with bifurcation set to x4x4 in PCIe slot 4 or x4x4x4x4 in PCIe slot 5 so you could have your fastest NVMe stick as your boot/applications drive in the top (primary) M2 socket and one larger one as your working documents drive in the bottom (secondary) M.2 socket. You could also choose to add an even larger sized SATAIII 2.5" form factor SSD in your drive bay(s) for offloading completed projects to. There is a v1 and v2 Z Turbo Drive Dual Pro now as of July 2023. The v2 is HP-certified for use in PCIe gen4 and gen5 slots (present in the Z4 G5). That also is fully backwards compatible with our PCIe gen3 slots. I've run both the v1 and v2 in my testbed Z440 here and both run equally well. No benefit to the v2 in my mind unless you'll upgrade to a Z4 G5 later. The v2 has a higher cooling surface area (but more delicate) and a better layout of the drive activity 2-pin in/out headers. Here in the US we can currently get both types new from HP on their eBay site. I then add in my preferred speed and size of NVMe sticks, usually Samsung Pro or Samsung OEM. The fins on the v2 heatsink are thin and can bend easily... just don't use them to hold things down while you lock on the heatsink. Your NVMe carrier card is working currently but I'd personally choose HP for its engineering every time. Plus, the close proximity of two NVMe drives on one card with PCIe bifurcation enabled provides a significant boost in performance. I've even run a Z Turbo Drive Quad Pro in that Z440... more than I need.
There are a couple of video editing pros on this forum who are highly experienced. If you get input also from Bambi and Brian you'll be lucky (BambiBoomZ and Brian1965). See PDF below.