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Currently I am using Hp Z8 G4 workstation

intel Xeon silver 4114 Ram 32 GB GPU RTX 2080ti

 

using software : 3ds max, auto cad , lumion, Vray, maya, forest pack, Adobe after effect, corona, Revit  

due to low speed I wanna upgrade system 

could anyone can assist me regarding this ..?

 

i wish to add duel processor intel silver 4114

One more GPU RTX 20180ti and Ram 32 GB

 

is it okey ..? 

and please assist me about power supply as well 

 

 

 

 

 

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BambiBoomZ
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Kefdesign,

 

You're very welcome.

 

I wish to add, as an alternative to building a system, that there is a reasonable alternative in a production workstation of a near future HP Z4 , that should have very good performance and with the important  addition of reducing the learning curve of multiple technical decisions when building, immediate usability and very high reliability.

 

There is a new  Xeon available soon- by the end of 2019, the Xeon W-2255 (10-core @ 3.7/4.5GHz / Max. 1TB DDR4-2933)

 

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/198016/intel-xeon-w-2255-processor-19-25m-cache...

 

I've not seen any benchmarks of the W-2255, but the W-2155 (10-core @ 3.3 / 4.5GHz) has an average CPU Mark of 21917 and Single Thread Mark of 2474.  As the W-2255 is 3.7/4.5GHz, the all-core speed will be at least +200MHz and with corresponding improvement in the CPU Mark and I expect the STM to improve as well. 

 

The other good news is that the W-2255 is to cost $778- similar to the cost of the Ryzen 9 3950X, and half price to  the W-2155's $1,530. 

 

An advantage for your use is that the Xeon W-2255 is quad channel memory- and of a very capacity instead of the Ryzen's dual-channel. 

 

Consider a system with 128GB of RAM, a very fast 512GB or better,1TB NVMe OS / programs drive, a second fast 1TB NVMe drive for active projects / libraries, and a large capacity 8TB+ HD to archive.

 

BambiBoomZ

 

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DGroves
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you will not like this reply but this is how it is

 

your current Z8 G4 system is designed for multi cpu type apps

but most of the software you list favors high IPC (high clock speeds)

 

buying a Z8 compatible cpu that has both cores and high clock speed is extremely expensive and may still not give you the speed of a cheaper older xeon system that has higher clocked cpu's and less cores i recommend you think about replacing the existing cpu with one or two Intel Xeon Gold 5222 cpu's

 

https://zworkstations.com/products/hp-z8-workstation/

 

adding as much ram as you can afford and a SSD (or ssd's) will speed up the system in general but as i said most apps you list are IPC sensitive rather than core count sensitive so rendering time will not really perform faster

 

last, adding another 2080 TI will do very little for you as the workstation you have does not support consumer cards in SLI

and there are cheaper nvidia cards that perform almost the same in cuda compatible applications

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Thank you so much 

could you please assist me that which is the best and not expensive price  system, were I need to get high quality performance with those software 

please specify spec details 

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Someone mislead that core is dependent speed, that’s why I choose silver 4114  10core  

can you tell me silver 4114 is better to perform which platform 

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I have given you my opinion as to what i would do

 

however it's your system and your needs that count so please read what i wrote

 

and then it's up to you to decide on what you want to do

 

you might want to post on the user forums of the programs that you use... asking other uses of the same software what they recommend in terms of CPU and video card

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Kefdesignn,

 

The most important upgrade is to improve the single-thread performance, because the 3D modeling application depend on the highest clock speed available on a single core.  The rendering applications work on multiple cores and, increasingly,  may use the CUDA cores of the GPU.  VRay is working on full adaptation it's GPU acceleration to make use of NVIDIA RTX technology.

 

Unless the situation is changed, keep in mind that Adobe applications can not address multiple CPU's nor multiple GPU's.  To improve on the RTX 2080 Ti would require a GPU with more CUDA cores, which means  that the only option to improve on the RTX 2080 Ti  is the Titan V with 24GB of VRAM having 4,608 CUDA cores.

 

If you have the option to build or have a system built, the highest performance system for your applications would be based on an AMD Ryzen 9 3950X (16-cores @3.5 / 4.7GHz) The Passmark average CPU Mark = 34009 and all-important Single Thread Mark is one of the highest = 2882.  The i9-9900K (8-core @3.6 /5.0Ghz), not long ago considered the highest performing gaming CPU  has a CPU= 18619 and STM = 2826. Consider an MSI PRESTIGE X570 CREATION EATX AM4 Motherboard in a full tower case and a very high performance open loop liquid cooler.

 

For comparison, the Xeon Silver 4114 ( 10-core @ 2.2 / 3.0GHz CPU= 14297 and STM = 1617 and uses 2400 speed RAM.  In my view, the minimum STM for professional 3D modeling use today is 2500  (which I don't have) and, the minimum RAM for this kind of system is 64GB- 128GB is better considering the need to often run several applications at once. I suggest it be ECC, and the Ryzen 3950X is tested to perform at it's best with 3800MHz RAM.  I use VRay and a large and high resolution rendering required 37+GB during setup.

 

BambiBoomZ

 

 

HP z620_2 (2017) (R7) > Xeon E5-1680 v2 (8-core@ 4.3GHz) / z420 Liquid Cooling / 64GB DDR3-1866 ECC Reg / Quadro P2000 5GB _ GTX 1070 Ti 8GB / HP Z Turbo Drive M.2 256GB AHCI + Samsung 970 EVO M.2 NVMe 500GB + HGST 7K6000 4TB / Focusrite Scarlett 2i4 sound interface + 2X Mackie MR824 / 825W PSU /> HP OEM Windows 7 Prof.’l 64-bit > 2X Dell Ultrasharp U2715H (2560 X 1440)

[ Passmark Rating = 6280 / CPU rating = 17178 / 2D = 819 / 3D= 12629 / Mem = 3002 / Disk = 13751 / Single Thread Mark = 2368 [10.23.18]

HP z420_3: (2015) (R11) Xeon E5-1650 v2 (6C@ 4.3GHz) / z420 Liquid cooling / 32GB (HP/Samsung 4X 8GB DDR3-1866 ECC registered) / NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 6GB/ Samsung 860 EVO 500GB + HGST 4TB / ASUS Essence STX / Logitech z2300 2.1 / 600W PSU > Windows 7 Professional 64-bit (HP OEM ) > Samsung 40" 4K

[Passmark System Rating: = 5644 / CPU = 15293 / 2D = 847 / 3D = 10953 / Mem = 2997 Disk = 4858 /Single Thread Mark = 2384 [6.27.19]

 

 

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Thank you so much for your valuable info 

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Kefdesign,

 

You're very welcome.

 

I wish to add, as an alternative to building a system, that there is a reasonable alternative in a production workstation of a near future HP Z4 , that should have very good performance and with the important  addition of reducing the learning curve of multiple technical decisions when building, immediate usability and very high reliability.

 

There is a new  Xeon available soon- by the end of 2019, the Xeon W-2255 (10-core @ 3.7/4.5GHz / Max. 1TB DDR4-2933)

 

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/198016/intel-xeon-w-2255-processor-19-25m-cache...

 

I've not seen any benchmarks of the W-2255, but the W-2155 (10-core @ 3.3 / 4.5GHz) has an average CPU Mark of 21917 and Single Thread Mark of 2474.  As the W-2255 is 3.7/4.5GHz, the all-core speed will be at least +200MHz and with corresponding improvement in the CPU Mark and I expect the STM to improve as well. 

 

The other good news is that the W-2255 is to cost $778- similar to the cost of the Ryzen 9 3950X, and half price to  the W-2155's $1,530. 

 

An advantage for your use is that the Xeon W-2255 is quad channel memory- and of a very capacity instead of the Ryzen's dual-channel. 

 

Consider a system with 128GB of RAM, a very fast 512GB or better,1TB NVMe OS / programs drive, a second fast 1TB NVMe drive for active projects / libraries, and a large capacity 8TB+ HD to archive.

 

BambiBoomZ

 

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Could you please tell me about my existing system (Xeon silver 4114) advantage for which field , because I want to sell that processor as soon as possible, 

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it is not your job to decide which usage the cpu you are selling is best for........that's the buyers job!!!

 

simply list your cpu on a auction or web site after looking at current sales price(s) of your cpu model on the web sites

 

and price yours accordingly with the understanding that your selling price and return policy determines how quickly it might sell

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