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07-23-2019 12:48 AM
Problem: Client claims that CAD Software SketchUp Pro 2018 is slow in daily usage. (probably due to the installed P1000)
We have 3 x Z240 Tower with this specs:
CPU: i7 7700k, RAM: 16GB DDR4,
GPU (Grafik): NVIDIA Quadro P1000 4GB
Software Manufactorer SketchUP recomends Geforce GTX 1060/1070
Is there a technical reason to use only the original HP GFX Cards? (beside warranty?)
Do you think we can use a 3rd Party GTX 1060 also From ASUS or PNY?
Do you think there will be problem in connection with Space inside the Chassis?
Do you think there will be a problem due to missing power connect between Powersupply, Mainboard oder Gfx?
No AMD Radeon
Thx, best regards
07-23-2019 07:42 AM - edited 07-23-2019 07:42 AM
the p1000 card draws it's power (47 watts) from the pci-e bus and has no external power jacks on the card
the 1060/1070 cards require considerably more power (120 watt for the 1060) than the pci-e bus 75 watt limit and as such have GPU aux power jacks on the card(s)
the z240 power supply is only 400 watts
now it's time you start doing the research to answer your question,
the links provided above give you all of the necessary information required to answer your posted question(s) to your satisfaction in regards to the video card
my personal recommendation is that you tell your client to replace the current z240 (which is a low end spec system) which is not really designed for cad/cam usage due to it's limited expansion options in regards to video upgrades
the fastest card you can install is the low profile nvidia GTX 750TI 2gb card model that does not come with a GPU pwr connector (some do, some don't)
or the nvidia 1050 which is also available in a low profile model that does not require a GPU Aux pwr connector
note that for your client the cards onboard memory is also important so the 4gb model is the only one to consider
07-23-2019 12:08 PM - edited 07-23-2019 12:16 PM
Sketchup Pro is currently my principal 3D modeling software for architectural work.
I've used the following GPU's on z420's (3) and z620's (2):
GTX 660 Ti
GTX 1060 3GB
GTX 1060 6GB (current)
GTX 1070 Ti 8GB (current)
I've been looking for yet another GPU upgrade and the serious contender is the new RTX 2070 Super but my preference would be the Quadro RTX 4000. I think Sketchup has some limitations in memory usage and limited muti-threading.
I've never been satisfied with performance, even on the office's main system:
HP z620_2 (2017) (R7) > Xeon E5-1680 v2 (8-core@ 4.3GHz) / z420 Liquid Cooling / 64GB DDR3-1866 ECC Reg / Quadro P2000 5GB + GTX 1070 Ti 8GB (MSI Aero)/ HP Z Turbo Drive M.2 256GB AHCI + Samsung 970 EVO M.2 NVMe 500GB + HGST 7K6000 4TB / 825W PSU /> HP OEM Windows 7 Prof.’l 64-bit > 2X Dell Ultrasharp U2715H (2560 X 1440)
[ Passmark Rating = 6280 / CPU rating = 17178 / 2D = 819 / 3D= 12629 / Mem = 3002 / Disk = 13751 / Single Thread Mark = 2368 [10.23.18]
I'd mention that as Sketchup does not use viewports, and if the 10-bit color support is not necessary or if there are no other viewport- applications, then a Quadro is not necessary. Consider a GTX with a 8GB, 256-bit bandwidth as optimal and go from there according to power supply, space, and budget limitations.
In all these experiments, I never noticed a strong improvement from a GPU: it was always a faster single thread performance from the CPU. This was made apparent recently. I was using a GTX 660 Ti in a z420 with a Xeon E5-1620 v2. However, the SKP performance was a problem in that the z420 secondary system with a 40" 4K monitor would not open a 192MB SKP building model. I changed to the GTX 1060 3GB and no noticeable improvement. The real improvements occurred, first when changing from 16GB of RAM to 64GB - it seems the system needed 37GB total to open the project and then when changing the CPU to a Xeon E5-1650 v2 which I could overclock to 4.3GHz on all 6-cores, using the free Intel Extreme Tuning Utility ("XTU"). The Passmark single-thread rating changed from 2089 to 2384. I then changed to a GTX 1060 6GB and that SKP performance is quite good.
Sorry for all the history, but this is to support my contention that with large files, no system will make SKP really shift pixels.
The system spec mentioned using an i7-7700K to me seems a very good platform for SKP. The highest rated z240 on Passmark using the i7-7700k is:
Rating= 6820 CPU=12549 2D=1091 (Quadro P4000) 3D =12462 Memory= 3266 (64GB) Disk=15830 ( Samsung PM961 1Tb NVMe)
The 7700K .4.5 Turbo is excellent but is it can be overclocked that's even better, and if the projects are quite large, consider having at least 32GB RAM. As it happens, the GTX 1060 6GB has a minimum power supply spec of 400W - it uses one 6-pin, so that would work. I don't think there is anything above a 1060 6GB that will run on the 400W PSU. although there are two systems using a GTX 1070 and two using a GTX 970. The GTX 970 spec is for a minimum 500W PSU, suggesting what I've long believed about HP WS is that the power supply ratings are conservative and they can run above their rating. It appears that Quadro P2000 is the most popular card and those run without a supplemental power connection. Also, check the dimensions before buying and keep in mind that a blower style card is preferable in smaller form factor case as the air flow is not as efficient. If it uses double or triple interior venting fans, it will heat the CPU and everything else.
I wish I could provide clear and effective upgrade recommendations, but through many iterations of 5 systems, I've never been able to achieve what I feel is satisfactory performance in Sketchup.
I'm currently test driving Rhino 6,..
PS: This is the secondary system:
HP z420_3: (2015) (R11) Xeon E5-1650 v2 (6C@ 4.3GHz) / z420 Liquid cooling / 64GB (8X 8GB DDR3-1866 ECC registered / NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 6GB/ Samsung 860 EVO 500GB + HGST 4TB / 600W PSU > Windows 7 Professional 64-bit (HP OEM ) > Samsung 40" 4K
[Passmark System Rating: = 5644 / CPU = 15293 / 2D = 847 / 3D = 10952 / Mem = 2993 Disk = 4858 /Single Thread Mark = 2384 [6.27.19]