Compatibility of HP NVIDIA Quadro K5200 8GB Graphics card with Z4,6,&800 and or Z4,6,&820 machines

[UE2]

I recently bought an HP NVIDIA Quadro K5200 8GB Graphics card for a killer price for this chipset.

I have been looking at some pretty nice used Z800 and Z620 machines.  I am wondering what compatibility issues I might encounter if I try this - the card specifically says it's for use in the 440, 640, and 840 series.

Will in work in an 800, albeit at a slower bus transfer rate?

If not, in a Z620 or Z820?  

How much will I lose by using the card in the lower grade machine.

Any insight greatly appreciated.

[Brian1965 · Accepted solution]

My thoughts would be to consider; the Z800 only has PCIe 2.0, the Z620 has PCIe 3.0 being the next generation. The K5200 will work in either machine, (since the card is only 150W), and is backward compatible with PCIe 2.0, but it will perform considerably better on a PCIe 3.0 bus.

Sorry, but wanted to clarify that HP does not support this configuration of workstation and graphics card but I expect you're not planning on purchasing directly from HP.

[UE2]

Thanks Brian.

No, these are all 2nd hand machines... although I can still buy a 620 new, I guess.

The card was just a steal... and I need a good gra[phics card to run Black Magic Da Vinci. 

Thought since I bought an HP card, it would go smoothest into an HP machine... and there are some rock crusher 2nd hand 620 and 820 at attractive prices.

[Brian1965]

Hopefully you will have read the minimum system specifications for Da Vinci already otherwise I would strongly recommend to check them out before buying more hardware. Unfortunately, I know of quite a few people who have built 'mega' computers with impressive specifications. (and benchmark results). but were unsuitable for the owners primary use. Do you plan on editing 4K video, etc.? Most high-end video software I have come across require very specific configurations to work smoothly. What works for Premier Pro or Avid may be completely unsuitable for Da Vinci. Well worth spending a good hour or so reading the system requirements to save you a lot of grief or unnecessary expense.

Not all software can take advantage of multiple CPU’s , and even fewer packages can take advantage of multiple GPU’s, Avid being a prime example. It can only render on the primary GPU.

http://documents.blackmagicdesign.com/DaVinciResolve/DaVinci_Resolve_12_Beta_Configuration_Guide.pdf

https://www.dcinema.me/davinci-resolve-system-requirements-a-reality-check/

Good luck with the build.

[UE2]

Oh, I have read. It's just that a Z840 with 18 cores is presently out of my reach.

But engineers at BM spoke with and assured me most important thing is graphics card which the HP K5200 (- which at $900 was stretchng for me even if that is a steal!).

So I am looking towards a system that can fully use the card... but at best spending 1000... preferably less).
A used 620 or 820 could get me to the recommended min 16 cores... and 32 gigs. And it looks to me (is this correct) that the PCI is the same for the 20 series and the 40.?)

I can pick up, for a good bit over my budget but maybe doable, a Z820 with dual 8 core E5-2680s which gets me to the the recommended min 16 cores an over 32G ram.

They're v1 processors (I think)... but I am an amateur and past the end if my budget already so a min configuration should serve me OK.

Thanks again.

[Brian1965]

If you do decide to buy a dual core Z620 instead of the Z820 then just a little heads up. There are 'two variants' of the Z620 which have different motherboards fitted. The 'boot block date' listed on the BIOS is different and can't be updated. Motherboards with a boot block date of 03/06/2013 or newer support both the V1 and V2 xeon processors, (in case you want to upgrade later), the earlier motherboard version only supports the V1 xeon processors.  Also, the V1 processors have a maximum 1600MHz memory bus, whereas the V2 processors have a maximum 1866MHz memory bus. Be wary of systems on ebay with 1066 or 1333MHz memory installed. Not that they are bad, but your system will only be as fast as the slowest component.Better to ensure it's 1600MHz up front. I also discovered that memory speed is also influenced by the CPU speed, and number of CPU's;

My personal workstation is a HP Z620, 2x E5-2690(v1), 96GB PC3-14900R, Quadro K4200 + Tesla M2090, Samsung SM951 256GB M.2 PCIe (boot drive), 480GB Sandisk Ultra II, 2TB + 4TB HDD. Mainly use my setup for Cubase, SolidWorks, Maya, Premier Pro, etc. It plays back 4K video flawlessly but I haven't tried editing 4K yet.

[UE2]

Brian,

Please see my thread at https://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Desktop-Hardware-and-Upgrade-Questions/Z840-T4P05UT-ABA/m-p/6024572/hi....

I got my card, and it basically says that installation in non-HP machiens voids warranty; don't know if a non-recommended HP machine (e.g. a Z820) would as well.

In any event, I found a pretty good deal on a new (open box) Z840... only a single 2620 v4 processor (8 cores) and 8k RAM, but thinking that this is a machine that should last my needs for MANY years, and the thread above has inquiry about how upgradeable she'll be with time (as finances allow...)

I appreciate all your help here, it sees to me after considering all your (very erudite!) comments, I'm better served to stretch and get the right machine, and upgrade her when I can afford... seems liek ?I'll get a longer, happier life form her that way.

Canyou PLEASE take a look at my questions?

Thanks.

[Brian1965]

I've summarized your questions below;

Q. Can you add a second CPU to a HP Z840?

A. Please see the link below;

http://h20628.www2.hp.com/km-ext/sml-extract/mediaRequest?seriesOid=6978842&meId=13EB5D31-6A16-4A9E-...

(Note: Link may not display correctly in Firefox, use IE)

HP have created an excellent range of video guides covering almost every possible type of workstation repair or upgrade. You should find everything you need there.

Q. Do I need any other hardware other than the CPU?

A. You will need a HP Z840 CPU cooler. (Not all coolers are the same, so best to stick with HP).

Q. Is there any warranty issues to adding non HP RAM?

A. Reading the HP Z840 quickspecs;

http://www8.hp.com/h20195/v2/GetPDF.aspx/c04400043.pdf

and the notes on page 15;

Takes you to page 19, (no mention of HP specific memory but I recommend using only quality DIMMS, e.g. Samsung, Hynix, etc.);

Basically there is a huge amount of detailed information and technical resources for all the HP workstations and I think you might need to do some more research before you dive in. e.g. do you need the Z840 with a 850W or 1125W power supply? What memory speed does the CPU support? Do you buy 2 x 8GB DIMMS or 4 x 4GB DIMMS for best performance? As you can see, there is a bit more to it than just a CPU and memory. The point I'm trying to make is that all this information is already available either on the HP website or, in this case, the Black Magic Da Vinci website. A good place to start would be here;

http://www8.hp.com/us/en/workstations/z840.html

There are plenty of links to documents giving more specific component details, e.g. memory type/configurations, RAID, etc.

Do you need the ability to be edit 4K video now or is 1080P okay for now? If you dont need to edit 4Kstraight away then I believe the single CPU HP Z840 will happily cope though I would recommend 16GB ram absolute minimum. Upgrading at a later date will add 4K video editing capability.

The bottom line is it will cost you more to build a 4K capable HP Z workstations than it would cost for a more generic i7, 4K capable computer. It is virtually impossible to predict if a non-listed computer specification will run Da Vinci since it hasn't been tested.

I think we would all love to have a maxed out HP Z840 but unless your NASA or CERN, it's probably well outside everyones budget, but it's nice to dream. My gut feeling is that you may need to look beyond the HP workstations to get a optimized 4K system within budget.

[UE2]

Hey, THANKS for the reply.

I will check the links...

the HP 840 listed (1x 2620v4 8 core, 8GB RAM, TB HDD, no video card - but I got the HP NVIDIA K5200 already) IS within reach... but it's bit of a stretch (open box... $1,660).

That, with my video card, and I am already over budget.

I will want be doing 4k soon, I got a Nikon Key Mission (https://www.nikonusa.com/en/nikon-products/action-cameras/index.page) as a gift... nice gift, eh?

And the DaVinci Resolve runs 1080P in RAW format (I have a Black Magic Pocket Cinema - https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/blackmagicpocketcinemacamera - so I can record in RAW), which is why it's so intense, even in 1080.

So I think the 840, while not quite meeting the min specs (but with memory and 2nd CPU does), is (if I understand the upgradeability correctly still have to watch your videos) going to serve my needs for MANY years to come.  I already spent $900 on a video card, but the BM engineers told me to ("... gt as much video card as you can posibly afford... the appliation is VERY GPU intensive.) 

The 840 is the correct machine for the card.  It just seems a MUCH better solution that trying to skimp together a prior version 16 core machine off EBAY (which, before upgrading the 840, will cost me 60% as much) - I'll even have HP onsight service until 2019!

Thanks for ALL your help and the links - which I'll be watching this week.