Ubuntu and Win 10 dual boot Envy 17 laptop

[Aj59]

Recently purchased Envy 17 laptop with Win 10. 

I am attempting to install Ubuntu 18.04 on it as a dual boot system. 

After installing I am not seeing a boot option to run Ubuntu and it just goes straight into Windows 10. I don't see any option in the BIOS to disable the HP boot logo (the white HP on black screen).

I am now suspecting buying an HP was not a good decision.

[CF4]

Hi

"I am now suspecting buying an HP was not a good decision."

OR

Trying to install Ubuntu is your bad decision. 

Dont like it, Dont use it.  However...

It says Ubuntu but it's actually Lubuntu.

So multi booting has it's difficulties.  Secure Boot is wanted.

I loathe GrUB but I do use it.  So if you have installed Grub then it should be the boot manager of choice...

As you can see in my BIOS I can use the absolutely excellent implementation of GrUB by the SuSE software scientists, or switch to the Windows Boot Manager, can you?

And Debian and Lubuntu also use GrUB and will override the SuSE version until I correct it.

So where are you in placing GrUB as your Boot Loader that can be found by the BIOS?

[Aj59]

Thank you for the response.

I've been using Ubuntu for several years and never had a boot issues when installing it on top of Windows in a dual boot configuration but it has been with either Win XP or Win 7.  I'm clearly not a linux expert or I would not use Ubuntu.

That being said I am not adverse to trying a different linux distro it that will help.

The Ubuntu installer always seemed to know where to install Grub but apparently that isn't the case now. I'm not sure if that's because I'm doing this with Win 10 or the UEFI stuff.

So this morning prior to submitting my question here I tried various things, such as turning off Secure Boot and attempting a reinstall when I got this message:

"The partition table format in use on our disks normally requires you to create a separate partition for boot loader code. This partition should be marked for use as an "EFI boot partition" and should be at least 35 MB in size. Note that this is not the same as a partition mounted on /boot.

If you do not go back to the partitioning menu and correct this error, boot loader installation may fail later. although it may still be possible to install the boot loader to a partition"

At this point I tried the "go back" option which presents the Installation Type window. This didn't show up the first time I installed

So at this point I am not sure what to do as I don't want to completely screw up the Win 10 install as it still works.

Again, I would not be adverse to trying something else, like SuSE if that is easier.

Where I work I will be doing a lot more Red Hat work so maybe getting used to that would be helpful.

Thanks again

[Aj59]

So am currently installing OpenSUSE Leap 15.0 hoping to have a better result.

[Aj59]

Update... got it installed okay though foolishly picked Gnome over KDE.

For some reason it doesn't see the Realtek RTL8822BE 802.11ac PCIe adapter on the system...

HP Envy Laptop 17-ae1xx

[Aj59]

Got it fixed...

https://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php/530102-Realtek-WIFI-Driver-Issue?highlight=leap+42.3+real...

[CF4]

Canonical has released an update that fixes boot failures of machines running Ubuntu 18.04 LTS and 16.04 LTS.

"“Due to an unavoidable ABI change the kernel updates have been given a new version number, which requires you to recompile and reinstall all third party kernel modules you might have installed. Unless you manually uninstalled the standard kernel metapackages
(e.g. linux-generic, linux-generic-lts-RELEASE, linux-virtual, linux-powerpc), a standard system upgrade will automatically perform this as well.”"

[Aj59]

Thanks for the information regarding 18.04 LTS and 16.04 LTS

While I was able to get SUSE installed on my Win 10 laptop in dual boot configuration, I am afraid I am not real thrilled with it.  I did get KDE working.

It is so different than Ubuntu and I am having trouble getting my work VPN working, which is uses Cicso Annyconnect. The openconnect with Ubuntu works just fine.

So after some more googling I found these step by step instructions for installing Ubuntu 18.04 LTS alongside Win 10

https://askubuntu.com/questions/1031993/how-to-install-ubuntu-18-04-alongside-windows-10

Before I installed SUSE I made a second attempt to install Ubu 18.04 and when did that it saw the previous attempted 18.04 installation (when I gave it 98 GB or so of C drive.)

Apparently SUSE created three partitions out of the 98 and now when attempting the 18.04 install a third time it offers no suggestions.

I am thinking I can use Gparted from the Ubuntu live disk to just remove those three partitions

/dev/nvme01p6,7 and 8

I did manage to get "fast boot" turned off in Win 10 so am hoping install will go better this time.

I guess I can just go back into Windows and resize the C drive to free up more space and use that .

Clearly I don't know what the heck I am doing.

[CF4]

Oh yes you do.

SuSE is sluggish compared to some, so you are spot on there, but the YAST (Yet Another Setup Tool) is absolutely ace.

Now a problem with Linuxes is the Network Manager's

One is called Network Manager and the other is WICD and I get grief because I want NM and WicD gets installed.

Use Secure Boot, Ubuntu and Suse etc get along fine with it.

Suse will have made upto 4 partitions, Root - Home - Swap (where the settings can be stored for a restart) and perhaps a GrUB partition.  So vape them.

If in doubt please ask.

[Aj59]

Thanks for the reply and vote of confidence...

I deleted the three linux partitions with Gparted and started the install per the link above, creating three new partitions from the new unused space .

Then I get this message:

The partition table format in use on your disks normally requires you to create a separate partition for boot loader code. This partition should be marked for use as “Reserved BIOS boot area” and should be at least 1 MB in size. Note that this is not the same as a partition mounted on /boot. If you do not go back to the partitioning menu and correct this error, bootloader installation may fail later, although it may still be possible to install the boot loader to a partition.

This link suggests solutions

https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2274184

it also suggests that I must boot the boot media as UEFI, which won't work.

The only way I can get the Ubuntu 18.04 disc to boot is the bottom option, the regular DVD boot option. The UEFI will NOT work

I guess I will try staring at the BIOS options a bit more...