Not enough disk space to even update Windows 10

[ieee488]

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@BerryGwrote:

 MS don't want activated copies floating about do they? For obvious reaons. That maybe another reason that I found making an ISO files so difficult.

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I Have one more thing to say here. Has anyone managed to install UBUNTU on a Stream? I have a bootable UB V16.04 USB memory stick. It boots OK but I just cannot get it on-line! It wants the Router code but I cannot get it to function. The other local WiFi beacons are all reported as is mine, but it just refuses to connect. Have you any ideas?

UBUNTU would solve this problem for the remaining life of these HP Stream machines.

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Making an ISO does not make it activated. It is the embedded product key on the motherboard that matters.

Having millions of ISO files floating around is no big deal to Microsofot.

As to Ubuntu, I haven't tried it. There may be others who have.

Check the Ubuntu forums. It is very active.

With the next WIndows 10 update I plan on a doing a clean install and removing the irrelevant recovery partition.

[harleycodr]

It seems to me that HP is acting totally irresponsibly.  WHY DID THEY SOLDER A DRIVE WITH BARELY ENOUGH STORAGE TO HOLD THE OS??????  WHY AREN'T THEY OFFERING CUSTOMERS TO SEND IN THEIR MACHINES AND HAVE A LARGER ONE INSTALLED  - GRATIS? 

This is really a head scratcher (head BANGING ON DESK) and I wish I hadn't bought it now.  I guess I'm going to have to do this approach of uninstalling Windows 10 this weekend before this looming deadline...

[ieee488]

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@harleycodrwrote:

It seems to me that HP is acting totally irresponsibly.  WHY DID THEY SOLDER A DRIVE WITH BARELY ENOUGH STORAGE TO HOLD THE OS??????  WHY AREN'T THEY OFFERING CUSTOMERS TO SEND IN THEIR MACHINES AND HAVE A LARGER ONE INSTALLED  - GRATIS? 

This is really a head scratcher (head BANGING ON DESK) and I wish I hadn't bought it now.  I guess I'm going to have to do this approach of uninstalling Windows 10 this weekend before this looming deadline...

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It is all about the $

You bought for the cheap price didn't you?  As many others.

Part of the blame is on the consumer for not doing his/her research.

And Dell and Lenovo also sell similar laptops with the 32 GB eMMC hard drive.

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[harleycodr]

Yep - I admit I didn't do my research and I still don't understand why other companies are also making these machines.  Didn't their research and development cycles realize that they would become obsolete almost from the get go by not providing enough disk space?

[ieee488]

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@harleycodrwrote:

Yep - I admit I didn't do my research and I still don't understand why other companies are also making these machines.  Didn't their research and development cycles realize that they would become obsolete almost from the get go by not providing enough disk space?

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They don't care as long as they get $.

Microsoft doesn't care either. They get $ from the Windows 10 license.

This is also their attempt to counter Chromebooks.

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[CherylG]

Hope everyone is adept at creating the USB flash drive by now-Spring Creator Update is rumoured to be headed to devices in the near future.:smileyvery-happy:

@BerryG Happy to hear you finally managed to get the upgrade without usb. The magic wand  does work.:smileywink:

As for the usb flash drive-yes,it must be created on another pc with enough hdd space to download the file before it is extracted to the flash drive. If the Stream doesn't have enough space to work with the Upgrade it doesn't have space for that.

MS doesn't care or they wouldn't offer the option to "Create for another PC" in the process. Nothing can be done with the iso without a license key anyway- in your case it is embedded in BIOS and you won't even be asked for it during the installation. MS knows where the key is. 

[ieee488]

I am going to make a image backup of the hard drive.

Then do a clean install of Windows 10 Spring Creator when it comes out.

I will wait for others to be the guinea pig though.

[BerryG]

Oh gosh I seem to have hit on a nerve here!

There are so many to whom I owe a consoling thankyou comment. I am grateful to read of the bold who are not frightened of becoming orphoned if they erase Windows. I feel I want the new copy in my hand before I do that!

I see therefore the value in a second machine and a" side-load" - is that the right expression? It would be a lot faster too would it not - irrespective of line & WiFi speeds.

Now - in view of the difficulty Windows has with upgrades and re-issues AND the ever-increasing space it requires when unpacked, I have wondered if Ubuntu might be a better bet? I have made a boot disk (because there's no chance of a side by side dual boot option), to see how it might run - WITHOUT compromising Windows. Well it does run but I can't  get the WiFi? Oh no!  Alwys summat!

I have posted on the Ubuntu Forum now to ask them if they have encountered this problem wrt HP Stream and the RTL8723BE wireless chip which is reported to be within. I cannot possibly INSTALL Ubuntu if the WiFi doesn't work as there is no other way to connect the Stream to the line is there?

As a favour - could you help me to get this response posted as a genral view to all the kind and sorry folk who have an HP Stream type model with a small memory, and have helped me.

I commiserate and/or thank you all as appropriate!

My best regards,

BerryG

[BerryG]

Ha ! Ha! - Guinea Pigs are we?

I do believe a method for doing this has emerged from this Forum. I would like to see it more formalised and coming to me from HP without all this fishing and endless loss of service and time.

So if I have it right.......?

1) Use another machine (with enough disk room) to download the new image (ISO file) to a flash drive. It is probably going to need - well how much space? Packed up it was 8Gb. Unpacked it's double and swells to triple quite quickly. Now you have 3Gb left but if you count like MS it's less. NEVER more!

(Some of that space is for the UEFI area. What's that? Dunno for sure but it's the alternative to the Legacy BIOS. What's that? It's the Firmware boot loader and all seeing eye on what you have connected. It will point to the necessary Drivers amongst other things.

It also sorts out the boot order so you get in there to put the USB port ahead of the C:\ Drive to boot from a memory stick.  It was recently updated so it's not a ROM.  It's a PROM! {That's Read Only Memory or Programmable Read Only Memory}. You see i know some things but DO NOT trust me to be right). 

Not done yet! More precious disk space is for System Restore. Go Disk Manager to see the Partitions and area used. I don't think Hibernation comes into the equation because  there is no spinning hard drive or volatile RAM. You tell me. Is the 2Gb RAM in the stream volatile? When do you ever entirely remove the power (battery)? You can't right? So as it's powered it aint volatile. The main disc is eMM2 type memory and does not need power - does it folks?

2) Now I've got my USB stick and I want to "side-Load" the image to my disk (Is that Disc or Disk?) - just a little pub quizz for you as we go!  How do I proceed from here?

Over to you or anyone that knows.

BTW - P.S. - I have a bootable Ubuntu stick with an ISO image of V16.04. Wanna know how much space that is taking up? It'll cost you!  1.51 Gb. Of course it might/will need to download some more Apps at the very least if it's actually installed but, it does a lot without any downloads. I know that because so far I have not been able to make the WiFi work! Pity because I would install it if that was remedied. Maybe I could dump WIN10 and goo with UB. Worth a thought for Stream owners everywhere I would have thought. I just need to help to get that WiFi connectivity. Anybody?

Best regards to all and thankyou each for your suffering - Do I mean suffrage? Naw that's the right to vote! I must mean SUFFER - RAGE!!   Well it's all very well to make light of it but this Stream upgrade has driven me bonkers! Say not a word....!

BerryG

[dkyaz]

Spring Creators Update(1803) - April.

I'm so happy I could cry.:smileysad:

Too bad HP can't have a link to an 'Installation disk' that we could just download to an 8GB+ usb memory 'drive' that we could then boot from and do the 'clean' install. (for those of us who don't have access to a second computer)

Remember, in olden days, when it would be years before a major Windows update, and MS would support the previous version for years after that?(but then they weren't 'free', either )

Oh,well, better start jotting down some backup/install notes for my Stream 'update recipe' while they're still fresh in my mind...