NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti and RTX 2080 Ti in Z820, Windows 7 Ultimate

[aap34798]

i have a dell t3600 and are using an rtx 2060 with the e5-2670 and only get about 9000 on the 3d passmark score when passmark is getting 12000+ for avg. it's still a beast but running 10600 ram and 16gb, but have 14900 at 64gb coming this week. i will give an update and also, the card is zotac amp edition.

[BambiBoomZ]

Aap34798,

There are only 5X E5-2670 + RTX 2060 systems on Passmark and the 3D results are: 9581, 8924, 8389, 7272, and 7235, so your 9000 or so is not out of the ordiniary with an E5-2670.

However, the Passmark average for the RTX 2060 is 13141.

The 3D is quite closely related to the CPU clock speed and single-thread performance  which is architecture dependent.  The average single-thread mark for the 2670 is 1565.  For comparison, a GTX 1060 3GB  (MSI Gaming X) added yesterday to a streaming/media HP z420  with an E5-1620 v2 (4C@3.7/3.9GHz) resulted in a Passmark 3D is 9774 where 8974 is the average.  The tested single thread of the 1620 v2 was 2075 where 1970 is average. The single thread performance is a good indicator of 3D levels.

As the 2670 is 2.6 /3.3GHz, it means that the average RTX 2060 user must be running quite a bit higher clock speed. There are 961 systems tested on Passark using the 2060 and the top 3D mark of 17579 is running an i7-8700K at 4.8GHz and a number of the systems at that level are 5.0 to 5.2GHz.  The systems closest to the median performance at 13146 is running at 4.1GHz. The system at 9000.7 is 3.9GHz. Just near that is 9098 is an HP z420 with an E5-2690 - the same architecture but somwhat higher Turbo speed.

The Xeon E5 first series 8-core with the highest single thread rating is the E5-2687W at 3.1/3.8GHz at 1854, but there are no systems also using the RTX 2060.

In summary, it appears that your system results are in line with others of similar clock speed and processor architecture.

BambiBoomZ

[aap34798]

you gave me a good idea and i might upgrade to an e5 2687w v2 because it fits the same socket but has base clock of 3.4 and turbo at 4.0. i'll update my steps

[BambiBoomZ]

Aap34798,

The E5-2687w v2 is an extraordinarily good E5 as it has the highest Turbo clock of any-4.0GHz.  Ne aware thoguh that the E5-2667 v2 is also 4.0 turbo but the base clock is 3.3 instead of 3.4 of the 2687.  For that -100MHz though the 2667 is less expensive.

Also, it appears that an E5 v2 will not work in a Precision T3600- it must be a T3610.

One very useful feature of E5-1600 v2's is that the 1650 v2 and 1660 v2 6-cores, and the 1680 v2 8-core may be easily overclocked using the free Intel Extreme Tuning Utility ("XTU").  I use an E5-1680 v2 8-core running at 4.3GHz on all cores - using liquid cooling- and the Passmark single thread is 2368.  Forum Friend Brian1965 runs his 1680 v2 at 4.7GHz for a single thread of I think 2550 or so- the realm of fairly high end gaming. The E5-1660 v2 6-core is the one to get if it can be 6-core as that is a 3.7/4.0GHz and at 4.5GHz- whihc would require liquid cooling-has a single thread over 2500. I ran an HP z420 on air cooling on a 1660 v2 at 4.1GHz- very nice and I never should have sold it!  The all core speed is 3.8GHz so even CPU rendering is strong.  An E5-1660 v2 costs about 1/2 of an E5-2687w v2 today.

BambiBoomZ

[aap34798]

Also, it appears that an E5 v2 will not work in a Precision T3600- it must be a T3610.

why do you say this? the sockets are the same. also, never heard of E4-2556 v2

[BambiBoomZ]

Aap34798,

Xeon E5 first version and v2 are both LGA2011, but the chipsets are different.  Do an advanced search on Passmark of the Precision T3600 and it is apparent in the CPU column that all processors are E5 first version.  A search of T3610 will show E5 v2's , but it's possible to run an E5- first version in a v2-capable system. The change from "T3600" to "T3610" was specifically to denote the different processor line.  In the HP world, z420, z620, z820 - corresponding to T3600, T5600, T7600, did not change the nomenclature when E5's became v2's and this created confusion and frustration by those wanting to upgrade.  Intalling a  v2 in a first version system results in no boot. 

It may be possible- not certain but seems very likely- that a  T3610 motherboard is a plug-in upgrade to a T3600.  Many HP zX20 users- myself included, changed the motherboard to allow the much faster, higher single thread performance v2 processors that also support more cores and faster RAM.  It appears that T3610 boards are quite reasonably priced used, and would suggest this is very worthwhile; especially valuable if the processor is changed.  A v2 is a much better investment than first version as it will remain useful longer and have a higher resale value. If the T3600 needs 8 cores, an E5-2690 is fine, and for 6-core, an E5-1660.  Assuming the potential v2 system needs eight cores, the E5-2667 v2 would be my choice, and for 6-cores, E5-1650 v2, or better, 1660 v2 and then overclock using XTU. Only select E5-1600 v2 and E5-1600 v3's may use XTU. As time goes on, my principal interest is a high single-thread performance as so few applications are very well threaded.

Sorry, that's E5-2667 v2. See:

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/75273/intel-xeon-processor-e5-2667-v2-25m-cache...

BambiBoomZ

HP z620_2 (2017) (R7) > Xeon E5-1680 v2 (8-core@ 4.3GHz) / z420 Liquid Cooling / 64GB DDR3-1866 ECC Reg / GTX 1070 Ti 8GB / HP Z Turbo Drive M.2 256GB AHCI + Samsung 860 EVO 500GB + HGST 7K6000 4TB / Focusrite Scarlett 2i4 sound interface > 2X Mackie MR824 / 825W PSU /> Windows 7 Prof.’l 64-bit > 2X Dell Ultrasharp U2715H (2560 X 1440)
[ Passmark Rating = 6280 / CPU rating = 17178 / 2D = 819 / 3D= 12629 / Mem = 3002 / Disk = 13751 / Single Thread Mark = 2368 [10.23.18]

[aap34798]

thanks for all the tips and insight. i was investigating the compatible chipsets for my e5-2670 on my t3600 and the e5-1680v2 and found they have compatible c600 chipsets. see links

http://www.cpu-upgrade.com/CPUs/Intel/Xeon/E5-2670.html

http://www.cpu-upgrade.com/CPUs/Intel/Xeon/E5-1680_v2.html

also, i bid on and won a  e5-1680v2 for $200 on ebay today. it was offered for $299 obo started with $150 and he countered with $255, i countered $200 and we came to the agreement. seller has all good reviews for this cpu offering.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-Xeon-E5-1680V2-SR1MJ-3-00-Ghz-8-Core-Processor/254185282778?epid=1539...

i will keep you updated to let you know how it works out.

[BambiBoomZ]

Aap34798,

That is the best price I've heard of for an E5-1680 v2, which is an extraordinary processor as mentioned.

However, be aware that if the 1680 v2 were to work in a T3600, it would be the first Xeon E5 v2 used in a T3600 among 737 tested. The T3600 had two motherboard versions: 0PTTT9 and 08HPGT using the C600 chipset and at least from the Passmark search, there are no E5- v2's tested on either of those two motherboards. The T3610 used 09M8Y8 and 0K240Y using the C602 chipset and these show almost all E5 v2's.

I'm not knowledgeable about X600 series Precisions, (my current Precision is a 390 (Xeon X3230) from 2007 retained for sentimental reasons), but as the T3600 and T3610 appear to have identical chassis, changing the motherboard may not be difficult. The HP X20 series first version and v2 boards are all interchangeable and visually identical. The  sale of the E5-2670 and original motherboard would probably buy two T3610 boards.

Let us know how you progress.

BambiBoomZ

[aap34798]

UPDATE

i just recieved my E5-1680V2 and confirmed that it will not post to bios. it was worth a try and it does fit but does not work.

anyways, my order for my upgrade in ram has had a delivery problem and is being sorted out but i will give another update when that arrives and used with the E5-2670. 

[BambiBoomZ]

Aap34798,

As far as I know, the E5-1680 v2 will not work on the current T3600 / C600 motherboard; it must be T3610 / C602. It is LGA21011 and so will physically mount but runs on the C602. The T3610 used 09M8Y8 and 0K240Y  / C602 and will run both E5 first version and E5 v2. Be aware that Ebahhh listings appear to often state "T3600 and T3610 but for boards with designations- such as 0PTTT9,  that  at least on Passmark show they are E5 first version only.

Also, if you have ordered 1866 RAM and use it with an E5-2670, it will run at 1600. 

By the way, I don't know if T3600 /T3610 are similar to the HP counterpart, the z420, but the z420 can use ECC Registered, which is much less expensive; this morning I added 32GB of PC3-14900R (DDR3-1866 ECC registered) to z420_3 for only $52. With 16GB it could not open a particular 190MB 3D CAD model.

The overclockable E5-1680 v2 and 1866 RAM would present such a leap in performance, in my opinion, the $60-90 cost and installation effort of changing to a T3610 motherboard is well worth it.

BambiBoomZ