Intel APO support for HP Omen machines

[omenofdoom]

Hey so, I just found out that HP as a company basically doesn't seem to support Intel APO. Why not? It's almost free performance. HP just has to implement the Intel DTT driver. 

My Omen 16 Slim with 255H is actually compatible with APO. Intel published a "verified" list which included the: 13th gen, 14th gen, and desktop Arrow Lake Parts plus the mobile parts based on those (like the 255hx). However, any Intel Hybrid Processor with 6 or more P cores is supported (using Advanced Mode) if the manufacturer does. From what I can find online, it seems like HP just doesn't offer this for any systems in their line up. 

Help the gamers out HP!

[omenofdoom]

I just wanted to also point out that there are ongoing and persistent rumors of a further use of APO to actually change the instructions at runtime. Intel recently confirmed they are further developing Intel APO but only for 14 gen and up, probably soon core series 2 and up. 

You can see them committing to further use and some games can uplift over 10%. I've seen report of up to 30% max, though I certainly dont expect more than 5-10%, and I know some games regress a tiny bit, but so does hardware scheduling and we all just bit the bullet because raytracing and stuff. Plus its confgurable per game via software, very painless to undo.

https://www.reddit.com/r/intel/comments/1mb1dhx/any_word_if_there_will_be_any_future_updates_on/

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-to-keep-application-optimization-apo-alive-but-focus-shifts-to-cur...

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-finally-releases-application-optimization-apo-update-adding-15-new...

[Garp_senchau · Accepted solution]

@omenofdoom, Welcome to HP Support Community,

Thank you for posting your query.

Thank you for reaching out with such an insightful question and for sharing your thoughts. I understand your frustration regarding the lack of Intel APO support on HP systems, especially given the potential performance gains it offers. As an HP employee, I’ll do my best to clarify the situation.

Why isn’t Intel APO supported on HP systems?

Here are a few reasons why HP might not yet support Intel APO:

Compatibility & Stability: As you’ve noted, Intel’s APO is still evolving. While it’s exciting, implementing a feature that adjusts CPU behavior at runtime can be a bit tricky. HP typically prioritizes system stability and long-term reliability, especially for users who may not want to manually tweak settings or deal with potential compatibility issues. 

Hardware-Specific Tuning: Not all HP systems, even those with 13th Gen Intel processors, might have been tested or tuned for the best experience with APO. HP may choose to prioritize other performance-enhancing features that provide more predictable outcomes across a wide range of workloads, including gaming.

Thermal Management and Power Delivery: One of the main advantages of Intel APO is adjusting performance in real time based on application demands. However, HP laptops, especially in the Omen series, are designed with specific thermal and power management profiles. These profiles might not always play well with APO if the dynamic adjustments are too aggressive or cause unexpected thermal throttling.

What about the future?

You're absolutely right that Intel has big plans for further improving APO, especially for future generations like 14th Gen and beyond. As Intel continues to optimize and develop this technology, we might see broader adoption in the industry.

Since the tech is still evolving and Intel is working on further optimizing it, I wouldn’t be surprised if we see more support from manufacturers in the future, possibly in BIOS updates or as part of the next-gen hardware releases.

What can we as HP do?

HP does listen to the community, and feedback like yours plays a crucial role in shaping future product features and updates. While I can’t speak for specific decisions or upcoming updates, I can assure you that your feedback will be noted and shared with the relevant teams. I would also recommend keeping an eye on official HP support forums and software updates for any potential driver or BIOS updates related to APO.

I hope this helps.

Take care and have a good day. 

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