Difference between 13-ba1063cl and 13-ba1093cl?

[Andrew221]

Can someone explain the difference between models the following models?  They appear to be identical, except for possibly the display, but I can’t be certain.  Is one a newer model than the other? 

13-ba1063cl 

13-ba1093cl

[pbroussard]

The Service Manual- http://h10032.www1.hp.com/ctg/Manual/c06618421.pdf  shows all the different configurations, but doesn't list what model number has what.

[banhien]

@Andrew221 

Their specs

13-ba1063cl :   https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c07914638

13-ba1093cl :   https://support.hp.com/rs-en/document/c08049129

That true, screens are not the same. HP has some machines which have same specs but different colors

Regards

[VK81 · Accepted solution]

@andrew221

Yes, BH is correct: the screen is different, but the rest of the hardware is the same.  They are two different models of the same laptop. 

In model 13-ba1063cl, the screen is very bright at 1000 nits, with 72% NTSC, and a HP Sure View integrated privacy screen that you can toggle off or on with the f1 key.

In model  13-ba1093cl, the screen is bright at 400 nits, with 100% sRGB, and there is no built-in privacy screen.

If you want a very bright screen or a privacy screen and don't care about color too much, get the 1063.

If you don't need a very bright screen or a privacy screen and want good colors, get the 1093.

BTW, the latter model is on sale at Costco to April 3 at $600, which is a steal for the specs.

[Hale_JP]

Avoid SureView as possible. It is a great luck if you have a version without that [censored]. Unfortunately, in Japan there are no Envy versions without that [censored]. ANd probalby, HP will leave the Japanese market soon because of that stubbornness.

[VK81]

@Andrew221

To be sure (no pun intended), SureView is not for everyone.  Here's a critique of it so that you can make up your own mind:

  https://www.notebookcheck.net/We-re-not-so-sure-about-HP-Sure-View.543650.0.html 

Best thing is to try it out if you can find a model 13-ba1063cl .

Most  people seem to prefer the model with the 400nits screen, viz., 13-ba1093cl.

[Hale_JP]

Honestly, SureView is a story of educated lies, and incompetence.

It is a story similar to Theranos, when some outsources with a support of senior techs have sold hp a sparkling science fiction story as a future tech. The incompetent management bought that story. And when it appeared to be a hoax, they refuse to admit their incompetence, and fall back; causing a great collateral loss to the company. (like putin refuses to fall back after the blitzkrieg to Ukraine has failed)

How it works on practice? The effect is similar to a simple privacy film for i-phone. You put it on a perfect IPS screen with wide gamut, and ultrawide angles... and the film shrinks these ultrawide angles down to 5 degrees, makes the image barely visible from sides. In addition it kills gamut, making colors weak, distorted and tinted, reducing the brightness.

BUT IT CAN NOT BE REMOVED!

What does the ON/OFF button do? It simply dims the backlight making the barely visible side image invisible completely. The front-view image becomes darker and less visible by the same amount of light dimming.

So in overall, it is a fraud, a hoax, and a pure evil. HP takes best IPS panels on the market, and converts them to the worst screens in the world, just with that SureView.

And because that is a result of management incompetence, they completely stopped selling NON-SureView models around the world, so the auditors would not compare numbers.

What will happen next? Probably, the same thing that happened to Siemens Mobile and Nokia consumer mobile divisions. hp will leave the computer market with tremendous losses.