win 10 upgrade

[ieee488]

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@dango109 wrote:

HP stream 13- c002dx
win 10 upgrade - 27 gig HD removed all except forthe OS - the system needs additional 8 gig to complete upgrade. Any suggestions?

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I just spent a frustrating afternoon trying to upgrade to Windows 10 1709.

The Lenovo Ideapad 120S is just like your Stream 13; it has 32 GB eMMC hard drive.

Right now, Windows 10 reports 6.79 GB free of 27.8 GB.

I tried the solution written by HP's Jeet_singh https://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Notebook-Operating-System-and-Recovery/Not-enough-disk-space-to-even-u...

It did not work for me.

I even had a brand new blank miniSD card for the upgrade. No go. Error message about SAFE_OS.

Every time I am online Windows 10 tries to update. Sigh.

[Bbynum11]

I only have 2GB free on my C drive and I also need 8GB to update Windows. How much space would this free up (on average)? I'm afraid to delete all that and still not have the space to update. Would my notebook be messed up if I deleted all that stuff and still not be able to update? Could I get it back easily if it messes up my notebook? Thanks for listing the way to do this! I have been trying so hard to find stuff I can delete for the update.   

[mdklassen · Accepted solution]

> I only have 2GB free on my C drive and I also need 8GB to update Windows.

Correct.

> How much space would this free up (on average)?

I am not sure as to which "this" you are referring to.

> I'm afraid to delete all that and still not have the space to update.

See below, for a recipe of what to delete, and which Personal Files to "off-load" to a 16GB USB memory-stick.

> Would my notebook be messed up if I deleted all that stuff and still not be able to update?

In my personal experience, the short answer is "no".

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1. Run the Windows "Disk Cleanup" application.  It will tell you how much space it will free.

2. Run it again, this time choosing "clean-up system files".  It will tell you how much space it will free.

3. If you use Google Chrome, open its "settings", and delete all "temporary Internet files".

4. In the "root" of the file-system for the 'C:' drive-letter, is there a 'WINDOWS.OLD" folder?

     If so, it is a previous release of Windows 10, and can be deleted, since you are about to upgrade to the newest release.

5. open an "administrative-level" command prompt.

Type: CD  "C:\Users\(your-account-name-goes-here)\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Cookies\Low"

and press ENTER.

Type: ERASE  *.TXT

and press ENTER.

Enter:  CD \Windows\Installer

and press ENTER.

Type: DIR /A

and press ENTER, to list the available disk-space, as the final line of the output.

Type: ERASE /F *MSI

and press ENTER, to delete previously-installed Windows Updates.

Type: ERASE /F *MSP

and press ENTER, to delete more previously-installed Windows Updates.

Type: DIR /A

and press ENTER, to list the available disk-space.

Are we there (8 GB) yet?

If not, how large are the folders for your Personal Files (Music, Documents, Pictures, Downloads)?

Can you copy them to an external backup device, such as a 16GB USB memory-stick,

and then "empty" those folders?  That should regain some more space.

Tell us the results.

P.S. On my Lenovo laptop, with a 120 GB SSD, and 4GB of RAM (not over 200GB and not 8GB), Windows 10 has successfully upgraded several times (to '1608', to '1703', and '1709') without any incidents.

Of course, YMMV -- "your mileage may vary".  

[mdklassen]

>>> I just spent a frustrating afternoon trying to upgrade to Windows 10 1709.

ieee488 -- you won't be able to do an upgrade. You will need to do a "clean install".

But, before you do, a few suggestions:

1. If you have any large files or folders stored on the "Desktop", move them to your "Documents" folder, or "off-load" them to a USB memory-stick, and permanently delete them from your "Desktop".

2. Copy all your Documents, Downloads, Music, and Pictures folders to a USB memory-stick, and then permanently delete all those files, leaving the folders as "empty".

3. How much disk-space have you allocated for "System Restore" to store its "checkpoints" ?

On that same screen that reports the limit:

a. delete all the previous checkpoints (which will free-up some disk-space),

b. set the limit to a much-smaller value (which will free-up some disk-space),

c. manually create a new checkpoint (which will be much smaller, now that those "large" files will not be included in the new checkpoint).

You now should have more disk-space.  So, retry the upgrade.

[PortlandiaIT]

A 120GB SSD changes the equation because while 4GB essentially causes your machine to swap continuiously, it's swapping to ram not magnetic media, which is hundreds of times faster.

Essentially, you don't have 4GB ram.  You have 124GB of ram.

4GB isn't adequate for a system running windows 10 and mag media, though.  If you were to upgrade your Lenovo to 8GB ram it would reduce the wear on your SSD drive, though.

My experience with SSD drives is they rarely last past the warranty, unlike mag media.  But most who run SSD don't care because price/capacity ratio is increasing so fast on them.  a 250GB laptop ssd with a 3 year warranty is $90 right now, for example.  3 years ago the same drive cost 4 times that.

[mdklassen]

>>> 4GB isn't adequate for a system running windows 10 and mag media ...

I'm not disputing what you are saying, but this thread has evolved into a debate -- and I am not interested in continuing that.

[PortlandiaIT]

You were disputing what I said earlier in your P.S.  Glad to see you retracted that.  I'm not debating in any case, just making a statement of fact.  The fact is that windows 10 64 bit at rest takes almost all of 4GB - run Performance Monitor and you will see that.  Thus to run multiple programs it will swap, that is a fact.  It is also a fact that swapping to mag media is hundreds of times slower than swapping to an SSD.  Thus it is also a fact that a system equipped with an SSD drive will run far faster than the same system equipped with mag media.  None of that is open for debate so I don't understand why you are thinking this is a debate - it isn't.

[ieee488]

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@mdklassen wrote:

>>> I just spent a frustrating afternoon trying to upgrade to Windows 10 1709.

ieee488 -- you won't be able to do an upgrade. You will need to do a "clean install".

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After multiple fails even with using the USB flash drive created by Media Creation Tool to update to 1709,

I ran Windows 10 Update Troubleshooter.

I had to do it a few times. No need to reboot.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-ie/help/4027322/windows-update-troubleshooter

It did fine errors and fixed them.

Then I did an offline download of KB4057144.

I saw that Windows was trying install that and update to 1709.

The download and install of KB4057144 went fine.

Now I am going to try the update again using the USB flash drive. 

[ieee488]

I am now upgraded to Windows 10 1709 without doing clean installation.

yay!

in summary:

1. free up hard drive space  https://www.windowscentral.com/best-7-ways-free-hard-drive-space-windows-10

2. install all other updates for 1703 first

3. reboot

4. install 1709 version from USB flash drive; do not install upgrades - there is a screen that asks

[dango109]

Thank you all - My upgrade is processing now - excuse the late kudos, I work out of state and have zero down time during the work week.