Lincs Motherboard Compatibility

[mtmtmt]

Ok - good, so far.

Boot time should be about 15 secs.

After adding a graphics card, my boot time is now 20 secs.

If you look at File Explorer, see which drive Windows assigned as the c: drive. It didn't matter what I made it in "Disk Management", as Windows assigned the bootdrive as c:.

I'll ask you again to check BIOS. There are three options under "Storage". Are you sure you are going into the third option called "Boot Order"?

[ngc2359]

15 seconds is actually quite slow. That seems like HDD time (mine hasn't changed that i can tell) .... I have a standard SATA HDD on this computer, an i7-4770, when I installed it it would boot in about 8 seconds! And shut down even faster. 

I'll recheck BIOS. I've done that multiple times but I'll check it again and yes I am looking in the BOOT ORDER item (bottom of llist) under which I see OS something or other and under it is (now) the 970 EVO and belowt that is the 1T drive ... then it goes back out again (tab left) to I believe the USB drive and then others in the list. There's nothing else in BIOS to select or change - right? 

As for the drive letter - in File Manager the SSD is the F drive. The C drive is the standard (as shipped) HDD. 

[mdklassen]

What happens if you temporarily disconnect the HDD, so that the only bootable device is the SSD?

Will the motherboard "find" the Boot Manager partition on the SSD?

You might need to boot from a Windows Installer DVD, to "repair" the Boot Manager on the SSD.

If it really is a "clone" of the partition on the HDD, its contents will point to a partition on the HDD, until "repaired".

[ngc2359]

Well sure enough - apparently when I selected DISK MANAGEMENT and made the SSD drive "online" that swapped the order in the BIOS! I did get a blue screen after having done that I believe (after restart selected)... anyway I changed it again and this time it boots up with the SSD as C! 

It STILL seems slow though. I don't notice any difference in performance. When I did this on my main computer, the i7-4770, there was a huge difference in running programs. They'd just snap on vs. it takes 5 - 10 seconds to load programson this computer running the NVMe SSD. Seems absolutely no faster.  

I'll keep playing with it. I THINK I'm finally there. Thanks for your patience and assistance. 

And if HP SUPPORT is monitoring note that you had said this computer, the Pavillion 590-p0070 i7-8700 with a MB m.2 (M-keyed) SSD socket WOULDN'T support PCIe 4-CH/NVMe, it would only support SATA... you might be right because as mentioned the speed seems slower than I'd expect - HOWEVER the tests run using Samsung Magician say the SSD drive is doing as it was designed which is 10X or better than on read and 300x better on IPOS. So at least Samsung says it is via these speeds (also note Samsung Magician DOES report that the interface is a PCIe Gen3-4!)

[mtmtmt]

Gary,

Glad to help. I hope your system is working as you expected.

It's interesting what you said about the i7-4770. One of my other machines is a Zotac with a 4770. I use it only for a bunch of IP cams and it does boot really fast from an old SSD.

Mark

[mdklassen]

> I don't notice any difference in performance. 

Open the Windows Task Manager, and switch to the "Performance" tab.

You should see separate windows for the SSD and for the HDD.

Open a few applications, and watch those 2 windows, to confirm that the disk-activity comes from the SSD, not the HDD.

Or, to repeat, temporarily disconnect the HDD, and reboot, and see how fast the applications load when the HDD is "offline".

[ngc2359]

Yeah - I did that already ... it appears to be using the SSD... but the data rate is really slow as shown there... I'm going to change teh boot order again and test the time to boot, to run 2 different apps, and to shut down ... and compare the two. 

[mdklassen]

Can you try copying several large files from the SSD to a USB 3.0 flash-drive, connected to a USB 3.0 port on your computer?  That should be a good measurement of how fast a "solid-state-to-solid-state" file-transfer can be.

[ngc2359]

So I installed and ran PassMark PerformanceTest. The first time I ran it, just after I brought the computer up, it was essentially nominal with a (CPU) rating of 14840. Their median is 15290. Three weeks later I tried it again - now I'm getting always in the 11 thousand range with 2 values BELOW it - one at 10,700. That is a 30% DROP in performance. I spent a whole day messing with it - went back to the HDD, removed the SSD, removed the HDD (ran on the SSD) ... nothing effected an improvement. Always the same. Checked BIOS - it is so limited there's really nothing there that can effect it other than multi-processor which of course is on. I worked with HP Support on the phone for over an hour - finally did a OS Recovery to the HDD... STILL only 11000. I PAID for a fast computer - an i7-8700... I am getting just slightly better performance than my 3 year old Dell i5. I ran it - it is nominal - actually about 5% higher than the median - I also ran this computer, a Dell i7-4770 (5+ years old) and it is also right on Passmark spec for this CPU. (In all cases I'm talking ONLY about the CPU test which is designed to test the CPU with little impact from memory/disk/video). 

If you want to try it - its free to download (30 day trial). I'd love to see what you get as a result. For me I'm tired of messing with this computer. HP has really taken a turn downhill ... I'll probably return it for a refund and look for a Dell. They may be more expensive but the old axiom you get what you pay for really seems to apply here. 

[mtmtmt]

Hi Gary,

I have had a couple of Dells and have had bad experiences, so that's why I'm buying HP again. 

Out of curiousity, I downloaded Passmark and here are my results - I'd like to hear your thoughts on them

General Information

PerformanceTest Version 9.0.1026

Baseline ID 1064772

Operating System Windows 10 build 17134 (64-bit)

Submitted Date 20th of August, 2018

Benchmark Scores Passmark Rating 6,309 

CPU Mark 14,336 

2D Graphics Mark 953 

3D Graphics Mark 6,884 

Memory Mark 2,954 

Disk Mark 16,020 

Hardware CPU Type Intel Core i7-8700 @ 3.20GHz

CPU Measured Speed 3.19 GHz [Turbo: 4.59 GHz]

Motherboard 843B Memory 12GB

Video Card Tested GeForce GTX 1050 Ti

Hard Drive Tested Samsung SSD 970 EVO 250GB (500 GB)

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