Laptop with Optane 16 GB installed & when I run software it shows 1 channel in use and one open

[SEarle56]

Agree with your synopsis and intend on regenerating the system on the NVME drive as the primary device and then using the Samsung Sata 500GB drive I have already as a secondary storage extension post the O/S move in place of the current one which is the boot drive but only until the upgrade we are discussing.  I believe I will go Samsung for both devices and keep the Addlink drive right where it is.  I previously purchased a 1TB external USB Samsung that I intended to use as a backup for files on the main system (Laptop) and it has worked flawlessly 

Will start all of this is in the next week or 2, the 16GB Optane drive is essentially worthless and not worth the time to get a PCIe adapter to put it in the mix 

Cheers, I will let you know how it all turns out and thanks again for all of your help, far better than in my estimation that which I have gotten from the General Support Resources under warranty or extended service contract as they will not even discuss these things or have no idea

Cheers

Steve

[SEarle56]

Here is a link albeit old that explains visually the diff between m.2 and NVME as in my questions about Optane being B&M keyed and the ability to put in the Samsung device which is a single keyed device.  The issue then becomes will it accept a standard NVME single key in the slot on the MB as it would see it would prevent this.  Have you seen or heard of such an exchange on a Laptop as it may be that the Optane is more sata than full NVME.

I have been looking for a picture of the connector that is actually in place on the motherboard and may have to be prepared to go with the Optane/NVME device route which is not optimal but I deal wit the hand I have been dealt

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJCHx7mZEKo

Link here with picture of H10 device I mentioned

https://www.amazon.com/Intel-Optane-HBRPEKNX0202A01-internal-Express/dp/B07RL7TSM1/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3...

Link to Optane 16gb device present in my laptop now

https://www.amazon.com/Intel-Optane-Memory-PCIe-80mm/dp/B06XSMTN31/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=inte...

Interesting but I prefer to not buy and then return and will go a different route on the device I put in place of the Optane if necessary

Here in closing is a dual key device from Samsung with dual key in an M.2 config and 1 TB capacity

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07822Z77M/ref=twister_B08D72C25X?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

Cheers

Steve

[Paul_Tikkanen]

Hi, Steve:

Chapter 1 of the service manual indicates that both SATA and NVMe SSD's are supported.

I don't see any reason why a single keyed NVMe SSD wouldn't work.

[SEarle56]

I am going for the gusto, will be ordering the 970 or 980 this week as well as the memory and then going in and upgrading.  I had to take a break as I was fixing an older HP Envy device and it was a fight to find info on it but I will say that command for max memory was excellent as it can only handle 16 GB of memory which is where it is.  Switched to a 1 TB SATA SSD 2.5 in place of the original spinner and used some of the space on the new drive under advanced options to give the system some additional swap space that will back up the limits of the memory pool and is the next fastest device.  System now boots past POST in about 6 seconds and after login is up almost instantly.  Samsung 1 TB 860 EVO and turned on Magician, it is a beast now.  Old drive is hanging off a usb port (2 TB) and it is brisk as well but the core is the Samsung SSD and it is like a teenager now.

I hope you are right about the NVME drive as the specs on the recommend ones are awesome and adding the 32 GB of Memory will cure a recurring headache of running out of space with only 4GB in now.  I will keep you apprised of further developments as the next patient enters the operating theatre.  I am really hoping it all does as the Hybrid m.2 Optane/NVME SSD device could be a real challenge to load the O/S on and then I am adding a 500 GB Samsung EVO in place of the 250 GB SSD that replaced the original HDD.

All the best

Cheers!

Steve

[Paul_Tikkanen]

Hi, Steve:

I agree with you regarding the OS and Optane.  You have to follow a certain procedure.

No doubt you will get much better performance from a NVMe drive rather than an optane-accelerated 2.5" SATA hard drive or SSD.

Looking forward to reading the results of your notebook upgrade project.

Cheers,

Paul

[SEarle56]

Came across this when researching the Samsung m.2 device above and I think this may be the path forward post Optane or even if I go that route the way ahead to get to the SSD side of the device.  The key here is if the migration software which I just used sees the non optane side of the device then it will migrate the O/S there just as it does on any other device.  when the app is finished it brings the system down and then you use the BIOS to point to the alternate device by moving it to the top position of boot devices and the image located there should come up.  Not sure how the Intel software will handle that config but I am pretty sure it will see the optane even integrated (or just the space on the Samsung device) in a non optane mode and then you are booting from a new image.  Should be interesting and I will let you know how it all pans out.  One more thing the new 90 has some different methods built in to the device that may slow it down when moving lots of small files as the queue depth element has changed

Here ya go...

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I purchased a HP 15 laptop which has an 8th Gen i5 processor with 8gb ram and win 10. I was really disappointed with performance. Later I realized the 5400 rpm HDD is the bottleneck. I purchased this SSD in the sale and decided to install it myself. Below are the installation steps for hp 15 series laptop, in case anyone needs them:
1) Open up the 9 screws at the back of the back panel.
Remove the battery.
Remove the optical drive.
Open the back panel(Check YouTube video by searching "hp15 SSD M2 installation").

2) Now add the m2 SSD in the slot provided. The screw would already be present. Just remove it, attach the SSD and again screw it. Now fix the back cover , battery, drive and screw the back lid.

3) Now start windows, go to disc management(from search box) and check for this drive. It should reflect. Now make it active/online by right mouse click.

4. Download Samsung data migration for SSD software by searching on google.

5) Open it and clone the os drive to this SSD.

6) Restart the system and enter bios setting by pressing f10.

7) Go to advanced -> Boot configure and select this drive in the first position by using f5-f6 buttons. Remember to save it here.

😎 Now again save and exit.

9) Now the system will boot with the ssd.

Cheers

Steve

[SEarle56]

Good link for your library...

https://phoenixnap.com/kb/nvme-vs-sata-vs-m-2-comparison

Cheers

Steve

[SEarle56]

So in conclusion the SSD side of things will appear as a partition/ device to be used as a boot location where Optane is implemented to act over time as a PreFetch as it learns what you do and gets faster as you use it.  Furthermore you have 16GB or more of memory you can Core Lock" the O/S and so typical calls to DLL's etc will be from a resident in Optane O/S and all the space it used in memory will be gone or mostly at worst.  Add to this whole equation is that Samsung changed the front end of the 980 in favor of certain environments moving huge files around versus the more active nature of normal use.  So they changed the "look ahead" and store side setting up slower action on large numbers of smaller files.  The 970 is the older architecture and I will most likely use that one for other reasons as well if the H10 1 TB Optane theory falls flat.  But if not I have a core locked O/S as well as buffer left over front ending the SSD side in a very intelligent way.  The Samsung 500GB will sit on the SATA bus side as additional storage and Data Warehouse

I love making race cars out of common transport vehicles, will keep you apprised of the results

Cheers

Steve

[SEarle56]

Optane may be going downtown as we say here in the States

When Memory is persistent then the I/O bandwidth and space needed to shovel back and forth is gone, Code executes in a persistent memory pool (think Core Locked) where all I/O is related to data to and from the execution stack and what it does to the stream of data before putting it back on the shelf.  Imagine binding Data pools or processors as a huge virtual entity with all the hooks resident in code and working on the same body of knowledge.  To me this is Distributed Computing Architecture on steroids.

Optane is not dead yet, it just moved to a better building...

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/architecture-and-technology/optane-dc-persistent-memory.html

Cheers

Steve

[SEarle56]

Progress!

I located and purchased a new H10 with 32GB Optane and 1 TB SSD storage on one device.  This will go in place of the current Optane 16GB device currently installed.  Also got a Samsung 870 QVO 1 TB for the SATA position and 32GB of Memory for the system itself.  Using tools to migrate the O/S from it's current drive to the System starting with the H10 plugged in and using Cloud Recovery USB to load to the H10.  If that works as it should it will look like this"

Phase 1

H10  1TB/32 Optane in M.2 spot

32 GB DDR4 3200mhz main memory in 2 16GB Mem chips dual rank install & test

Migrate O/S from current SSD to H10 

Reset & boot from NVME H10 O/s Image

Run tests for Boot/shutdown etc.

Install Storage software for Optane and SSD configuration and setup

Benchmark for performance delta

Shutdown and install Samsung SSD either 1 TB 870 or 500 GB 860 and repeat boot/shutdown functions as well as data movement etc. for functional test as storage/data warehouse

If the H10 cannot be made tp work as boot device then the 860/870 will and regen/migrate o/s to deice and boot

Verify access to H10 partition(s) and performance

Install Intel software to couple Optane and storage and test

This will be happening by the end of next week at the latest and I will let you know where it all ended up

BTW I also now have the Intel developed software that allows for overclocking etc. from the MFG so if it is possible it will accommodate it

Talk to you later

Cheers

Steve